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Subject: Re: The Next #1 SSDF no doubt Fritz6a

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 10:17:42 03/04/00

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On March 04, 2000 at 10:39:49, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On March 04, 2000 at 09:27:44, blass uri wrote:
>>How did you compare it?
>
>by watching games.

Maybe you can post 5-10 examples of your games to start with?

Ed

>>I think that the right way is to give the same positions from your games of
>>Fritz6a that you guess that Fritz6a is weaker in tactics to Fritz5.32 and see if
>>Fritz5.32 can see tactics faster.
>
>NO- test positions with definitive key moves do not measure this.
>what test-suites measure is how good or how many extensions and search
>tricks for key-moves programs have. but these nice magic tricks do not
>work in chess-games. they only work for test-suites.
>
>>Impression based only on watching games can be wrong because it is possible that
>>Fritz6a was unlucky to get positions that Fritz did not like in your games.
>
>when a program more than another program loses tactically ...
>
>>I know that Enrique claims that Fritz6a is the best in his secret tactical test
>>suite.
>
>AND ?? this is not against me, this only proofs my point.
>in test-suites fritz6a may be better, but a chess-game is more than a
>test-suite.
>don't you understand the difference ?
>
>
>>If you have positions from your games when Fritz6a is weaker in tactics then
>>please post them.
>
>you don't understand my point. you want to measure tactical behaviour and mix it
>up with finding key-moves faster. these are 2 different topics.
>
>hiarcs e.g. is good in finding key moves.
>shredder is weak in finding key moves.
>cstal is good in finding key-moves but weak in tactics itself.
>the king is good in both.
>the king 2.2 was good in tactics. the king 2.54 was better in finding
>key moves but weaker in tactics than the king 2.2.
>MM5 was good in finding key-moves. better than many other 8-bit dedicated
>machines. but not very good in tactics at all.
>same for fidelity machines.
>
>
>>Uri



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