Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 07:35:10 03/07/00
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On March 07, 2000 at 01:37:02, blass uri wrote: >On March 06, 2000 at 20:56:45, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On March 06, 2000 at 13:50:49, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On March 06, 2000 at 12:24:55, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>On March 06, 2000 at 01:18:05, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 05, 2000 at 18:09:29, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Most Programs perform excellent whenever there is a tactical position, but some >>>>>>programs perform better tactically than strategically. A good comparison is >>>>>>between Rebel 10 or Tiger Rebel, which are very good programs strategically >>>>>>compare to Deep Junior or Junior 6.0.which is very good tactically. But when you >>>>>>match them Deep Junior 6.0 is a little bit better than either of the previous >>>>>>mentioned programs. >>>>> >>>>>Why do you think that Junior6 is better in tactical positions relative to >>>>>TigerRebel? >>>>> >>>>>Junior6 searches more nodes per second but you cannot learn from it that it is >>>>>better in tactics. >>>>> >>>>>I know that Rebeltiger did better results in enrique's test suite relative to >>>>>Junior6. >>>>>I know that most of the improvement from Junior5 to Junior6 was about the >>>>>evaluation function. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>>I am basing my oppinion on a small test between Junior 6.0 Vs Rebel Tiger 12e of >>>>50 games in 60 minutes per side, using two identical AMD 800 Mhz and Junior 6.0 >>>>won 28 games; probably the time control and speed of the computers used has a >>>>lot to do with the result. It could be that Junior 6.0 calculate deeper than >>>>Rebel Tiger 12e, providing faster processor and allowing a time control greater >>>>than 60 minutes per side per game. >>>> >>>>Pichard >>> >>>It is also possible that Junior6 had a better evaluation. >>>You cannot learn from the fact that Junior6 won that it calculated deeper. >>> >>>Uri >>My friend who owned Rebel Tiger 12e knew before the mini match how to set his >>program to play with the strongest setting I remember him setting his program to >>this setting: >> >>Rebel Tiger 12e >>Permanent Rrain ON >>Analysis Brain OFF >> >>He bought his AMD Athlon 1 week before I did and since my old AMD computer was >>too slow a K6 300 Mhz , he recommemded me to buy an AMD ATHLON 800 Mhz similar >>to his; I was undicided wether to buy an Intel Pentium III 800 Mhz but just >>because of the price and Performance difference and also due to the fact that he >>decided to Bet a small fortune of $ 250.00 I agreed to buy it since we are both >>programmers interested in the progress of chess softwares. We are facinated >>to see how much progress chess softwares have accomplished lately. We would like >>sometime to dedicate time to make our own chess Program, but our dedication to >>Microsoft has enable us to program our own chess program, we understand that >>chess programs have advance so much, that there is little that could be improve >>nowaday except the capability of using Multiprosessors which Deep Junior 6.0 is >>capable of using. > >I do not believe that there is a little that could be improved. > >I believe that if people develop the right program then even a program on 386 >can beat kasparov > >Uri Sorry but I disagreed with your logical reasoning. If you compare (Rebel 10, Rebel tiger 12e or Deep Junior 6.0) to Deep Blue, any top programmer will assure you that these programs have more Chess Knowledge than Deep Blue, But when you compare Deep Blue hardware capacity to the most advance PC, even the latest AMD Athlon 800 Mhz just released, you probably need 50 processors like the latest AMD Athlon put into parallel just to match Deep Blue caculation capacity.
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