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Subject: Re: little study too difficult for some programs?

Author: José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba

Date: 15:26:44 03/08/00

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On March 08, 2000 at 18:04:48, Andrew Dados wrote:

>On March 08, 2000 at 17:54:35, Gerhard Vetter wrote:
>
>>Lately I found this easy-to-solve but elegant little study:
>>
>>
>>8/8/8/8/4k3/1P1p4/1r6/R1N1K3 w Q -
>>
>>To my surprise many modern programs can't find the win despite of 5manTBS only
>>2ply away!
>>
>>Junior 6 (with 5manTBS) sees only a draw after 45 min on Celeron 500/ 128
>>Also Shredder 4 and Nimzo 7.32 fail to solve it.
>>
>>It is interesting that the older versions of some of the above programs need
>>only 0 sec
>>(Nimzo99) resp. 10 sec (Junior 5.0). Tiger 12.0e takes also 0 sec.
>>
>>It would be interesting to know how other programs do in this position and even
>>more
>>interesting if someone can suggest a reason for this odd behaviour of some
>>leading programs.
>>
>>Since I don't know if this information is embedded in the EPD: white has still
>>castling rights.
>>
>>Gerhard
>

	Yes, the queenside castling rights are in the fen string you posted (it is the
'Q' after the side to move).

>I can be that your tablebases are somehow broken.. note that all programs
>without TB access solved it...
>It's of course just a guess.
>
>-Andrew-

	The very simple explanation is that Nalimov tablebases do not store castling
rights.
José.



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