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Subject: Re: CSTal help........Easter Tourney Game 1

Author: Tina Long

Date: 19:36:46 03/08/00

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On March 08, 2000 at 16:06:47, Chessfun wrote:

>On March 08, 2000 at 15:21:34, KarinsDad wrote:
>
>>On March 08, 2000 at 07:45:03, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>
>>>On March 08, 2000 at 07:23:27, Chessfun wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>  In game 1 of my Easter tourney
>>>>CStal runs itself out of time.
>>>
>>>the "bug" is known.
>>>chris wanted to make cstal very human-like,
>>
>>
>>Don't you mean very non-human-like?
>>
>>A human would (usually) know that it is playing a computer and that he/she must
>>make good tactical decisions in order to win. CSTal does not know who it is
>>playing, hence, it plays non-human, non-computer like chess (i.e. some form of
>>quasi programatic approximation in between human and computer like behavior).
>>
>>Does CSTal have a mechanism to tell it that it is playing against a computer and
>>hence, it should play tactically smarter and time control smarter? Or maybe a
>>way to indicate the approximate ELO of it's opponent. Human-like play also
>>consists of playing different based on perceived strengths and weaknesses of
>>your opponent; not just playing randomly stupid.
>>
>>I mean, what good is playing sort of like a human against a computer?
>>
>>
>>>so it plays incorrect sacs and also oversteps time-controls.
>>>should not happen in 40/120. but in blitz-controls it happens...
>>>if you would play in tournament-time-control, the problem would
>>>IMO not occur. i have played in many tournament, and also
>>>at home, and at home it uses it's own clock, on championships
>>>i normally give myself an extra time between 3-5 minutes for
>>>operating.
>>>
>>>
>>>>It counts down from 60 secs and
>>>>just ignores the countdown and moves
>>>>20 secs after it. This was after 59 moves,
>>>>I played the game out but am puzzled.
>>>
>>>:-))
>>>
>>>so one point for chessmaster !
>>>consider: only the result counts.
>>
>>
>>I'm glad to hear you say that! ;)
>
>
>The problem is. It also timed out in game two although on
>playing it out lost. But I don't see how in Didzis 1 hour
>games it could have made any time control like that.
>It make no attempt to even blitz as the 60 mins is up.
>
>I truly assume if I count losses on time in this manual
>tourney "Easter" CSTal will lose a lot.
>
>Thanks.
>
A very unfortunate situation.
- You can't give it draws for losses on time, that's not fair.
- You can't adjudicate the positions, as Tal has used an unfair amount of time
compared to the opposition who moved quicker to avoid time loss.
- If you give Tal a loss & it loses many games on time, but not all, then the
results are biased.

I can only offer one solution for THIS time control:  Reject Tal, & it's results
so far, & treat it's position as a bye.

Let it play next time you play with incremental time.

Thanks for keeping us informed,
Tina Long



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