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Subject: Re: what do you think of the position?

Author: William Bryant

Date: 13:15:18 03/11/00

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On March 11, 2000 at 16:00:40, James Robertson wrote:

>On March 11, 2000 at 15:47:53, William Bryant wrote:
>
>>On March 11, 2000 at 12:33:40, pavel wrote:
>>
>>>hi,
>>> this is the first time i am ever trying a diagram in this forum,
>>>if it doesnt work i am sorry for any inconvenience. and if it doest work, then
>>>thanks to dann corbit for referring to EPDdiag, in one of his post.
>>>the game below is from one of the many games that i played in chess server
>>>(chess.net) and one of my fav too. i would like to know how fast your program
>>>finds the mate???
>>>
>>>white- "bigbadjohn"
>>>Black- "gnu"
>>>white elo- "1659"
>>>blacks elo- "1473"
>>>time control- "900+0"
>>>
>>>[D]3qlrkl/lR5p/RlQ3pl/3pp3/2pb4/5PlP/4rlPl/7K w - -
>>>
>>>the original moves were after this position of the game
>>>
>>>38)     Re1+
>>>39)Kh2  Bg1+
>>>40)Kg3  Qg5#
>>>
>>>i personally found the mate very interesting, what do you think?
>>>i played under the handle "gnu"
>>>thanks for any comments and feedbacks
>>>and by the way "comet doesnt finds the mate"
>>>and all other programs that i have finds the mate less then 1 min.
>>>junior6 finds it in 23sec!!!!
>>>thanks
>>>pavel
>>
>>I think this is a great position because it is a case where one of the
>>real amatures gets lucky.
>>
>>Screamer solves this in 1.992 seconds announcing mate in 8 moves.
>>
>>Welcome to Screamer 1.00  Build 49
>>Current Hash Table Size: 8192 K bytes
>>Current Pawn Hash Size: 2048 K bytes
>>Debug Control On
>>PVS Search
>>NULL move Search
>>
>>
>>New Game ...
>>Move 1 W>>
>>
>>New Board Position
>>3q1rk1/1R5p/R1Q3p1/3pp3/2pb4/5P1P/4r1P1/7K w - - 0 0
>>Move 1 W>>
>>PLY       NODES     TIME    SCORE  PV
>>__________________________________________________
>> 5/00     19107     0.373   +0.00  Qxg6+ hxg6 Rxg6+ Kh8 Rh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
>> 6/00     40849     0.727   +0.00  Qxg6+ hxg6 Rxg6+ Kh8 Rh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
>> 6/01     58955     1.018   +0.18  Qe6+ Kh8 Rxh7+ Kxh7 Qxg6+ Kh8 Qh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
>>							Kf7 Qg7+ Ke8 Re6+ Qe7 Rxe7
>> 7/00     86249     1.435      ++  Qe6+
>> 7/00    125590     1.992 +327.52  Qe6+ Kh8 Rxh7+ Kxh7 Qxg6+ Kh8 Qh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
>>							Kf7 Qg7+ Ke8 Re6+ Qe7 Qxe7++
>> 8/00    324510     5.301 +327.52  Qe6+ Kh8 Rxh7+ Kxh7 Qxg6+ Kh8 Qh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
>>							Kf7 Qg7+ Ke8 Re6+ Qe7 Qxe7++
>>     ----- Search Stopped -----
>> 8/00    779655    12.562 +327.52  Qe6+ Kh8 Rxh7+ Kxh7 Qxg6+ Kh8 Qh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
>>							Kf7 Qg7+ Ke8 Re6+ Qe7 Qxe7++
>>     Total Search Time: 12seconds
>>     Move: Qe6+
>>
>>
>>William
>>wbryant@ix.netcom.com
>
>
>That's interesting... I think everyone else played this position with black to
>move. :) With white on move, Insomniac 0.63 announces mate in 8 after 1 second
>on my P233, 4MB hash.
>
>James
>
> 1     -606        0          66 Kh2
> 2>    -599        0         231 Qe6+ Kh8 Kh2
> 2     -599        0         346 Qe6+ Kh8 Kh2
> 3>    -602       50        1813 Rd7 Re1+ Kh2 Bg1+ Kh1
> 3     -602       50        2033 Rd7 Re1+ Kh2 Bg1+ Kh1
> 4>    -595       50        5330 Qe6+ Kh8 Rd7 Re1+ Kh2 Bg1+ Kh1
> 4>    -572      110        5881 Qxg6+
> 4        0      110        6039 Qxg6+ hxg6 Rxg6+ Kh8 Rh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
> 5        0      110        6567 Qxg6+ hxg6 Rxg6+ Kh8 Rh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
> 6        0      160       11017 Qxg6+ hxg6 Rxg6+ Kh8 Rh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
> 7        0      330       26740 Qxg6+ hxg6 Rxg6+ Kh8 Rh6+ Kg8 Rg6+
> 8>      30      440       38555 Qe6+
> 8      169      660       62160 Qe6+ Kh8 Rxh7+ Kxh7 Qxg6+ Kh8 Qh6+ Kg8 Rg6+ Kf7
> Rg7+ Ke8 Qe6+ Qe7 Rxe7+
> 9    29985     1040       92599 Qe6+ Kh8 Rxh7+ Kxh7 Qxg6+ Kh8 Qh6+ Kg8 Rg6+ Kf7
> Rg7+ Ke8 Qc6+ Qd7 Qxd7+

Sure, take all the fun out of it. :)

I used the original epd and ran the position without reading the other posts.

The _intent_ was for black to move, even though the epd listed white to move.

I reran the positon with black to move and it took several minutes to find
the mate (see my repost).  My level of enjoyment dropped a level or so too.  :)

William
wbryant@ix.netcom.com




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