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Subject: Re: Tablebase ELO gain-Part 2

Author: Imran Hendley

Date: 09:21:24 03/13/00

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On March 13, 2000 at 10:02:59, James T. Walker wrote:

>Hello,
>I have revisited an old test I ran over a year ago trying to determine the value
>of tablebases.  Last time I ran Crafty with tablebases vs Crafty without
>tablebases and the result showed only about 5-10 points value for tablebases.
>That test was terribly flawed in that I only had a few 5 man tablebases and did
>not have the important KRPKR.  This time I had about 4 Gig of
>tablebases(Compressed) available for Hiarcs 7.32.  I ran 200 games with
>tablebases and 200 games without tablebases for Hiarcs 7.32.  All games vs Chess
>Tiger 12.0e.   Hiarcs 7.32 ran on a PII-333 with 16 M for hash tables.  Chess
>Tiger ran on a K6-3-450 with 8 M for hash tables.  All games were game/5
>minutes.  The results were that without tablebases Chess Tiger showed a 75 point
>advantage over Hiarcs 7.32 using the hardware mentioned.  With no change in
>Hardware but Hiarcs 7.32 using the 4 Gig of tablebases available, Chess Tiger's
>advantage dropped to 35 points(200 games).  This leaves a net improvement of
>about 40 points for the tablebases.  I also want to mention that the hardware
>advantage appears to be about 35-40 points and that would make Hiarcs 7.32 and
>Chess Tiger 12.0e about even at G/5 min with Hiarcs 7.32 using tablebases.  Of
>course only 400 games is not enough to be very accurate but it is enough to get
>a rough idea under the circumstances mentioned.  I would very much like to know
>of other test done by anyone in this area.  If you know of any please point me
>to the info/site.
>Jim Walker

Excellent test. But wouldn't tablebases increase a program's rating much more at
short time controls than at long? At longer time controls a program would have
the time to calculate endgame wins without tablebases - even if not the most
efficient lines, while at short time controls it may not.



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