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Subject: Re: Computer Cheat or Not?

Author: Djordje Vidanovic

Date: 03:05:14 03/15/00

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On March 14, 2000 at 21:32:46, Dann Corbit wrote:

>Up to ply 26, no mistakes at all by either side.  But it is not so difficult to
>memorize a good patch of opening.  Here is the game eco classified:
>
>[Event "rated blitz game"]
>[Site "OK Corral"]
>[Date "2000.03.09"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "A.N. Other"]
>[Black "N.N."]
>[Result "*"]
>[ECO "D85"]
>[Opening "Gruenfeld"]
>[Variation "exchange variation"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Bb5+ c6
>8. Ba4 O-O 9. Nf3 Bg4 10. O-O Qa5 11. Bd2 Qh5 12. Rb1 b6 13. Re1 Nd7 14.
>Bxc6 Rac8 15. Qa4 Rc7 16. e5 Rfc8 17. Be4 Nf8 18. h3 Bd7 19. Qa3 Bxh3 20.
>gxh3 Qxh3 21. Ng5 Qg4+ 22. Bg2 h6 23. Re4 Qd7 24. Nxf7 Kxf7 25. e6+ Nxe6
>26. Bh3 Rc6 27. Rbe1 Qd5 28. Bxe6+ Rxe6 29. Rxe6 Bf6 30. Rxf6+ Kxf6 31.
>Qxe7+ Kf5 32. Re5+ Qxe5 33. Qxe5+ Kg4 34. Qe6+ *
>
>Here are the EPD positions analyzed at 10 seconds each:
>rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - acd 9; acn 896897; acs 11;
>ce -6; pv e4 e6 Nf3 Nc6 Be2 Nf6 e5 Ng4 d4;
>rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq d3 acd 9; acn 1002701; acs
>11; ce -28; pv e6 Nf3 Nf6 e3 Bb4+ c3 Ba5 b4 Bb6;
>rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/5n2/8/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - acd 10; acn 959960; acs
>11; ce -3; pv e3 e6 Bd3 Nc6 Nf3 Nb4 Bb5 a6 Bc4;
>rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/5n2/8/2PP4/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq c3 acd 9; acn 970214; acs
>11; ce -11; pv d5 cxd5 Nxd5 e4 Nf6 Nc3 e6 Bc4 Bb4 Bg5;
>rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/2PP4/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - acd 9; acn 945169; acs
>11; ce -4; pv Nc3 d6 e4 Bg7 e5 dxe5 dxe5 Qxd1+ Nxd1 Ng4 f4;
>rnbqkb1r/pppppp1p/5np1/8/2PP4/2N5/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - acd 9; acn 961369;
>acs 12; ce -25; pv d5 e3 Bg7 c5 Bf5 Nf3 Ne4 Bd3 Nxc3 bxc3;
>rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/5np1/3p4/2PP4/2N5/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq d6 acd 8; acn
>955402; acs 11; ce 3; pv Nf3 Nc6 Nxd5 Nxd5 cxd5 Qxd5 Bf4 Qa5+ Qd2 Qxd2+ Nxd2
>Bf5;
>rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/5np1/3P4/3P4/2N5/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - acd 9; acn 1004734;
>acs 11; ce -1; pv Nxd5 Nxd5 Qxd5 Nf3 e6 e3 Nc6 Bd3 Bd6;
>rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/6p1/3n4/3P4/2N5/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - acd 8; acn 1077051;
>acs 11; ce -15; pv Nxd5 Qxd5 e3 Nc6 Qf3 e6 Bd2 Bb4 Bxb4 Nxb4 Qxd5 exd5;
>rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/6p1/3n4/3PP3/2N5/PP3PPP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq e3 acd 9; acn 1045478;
>acs 11; ce -8; pv Nxc3 bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bc4 c5 O-O cxd4 cxd4 e6;
>rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/6p1/8/3PP3/2n5/PP3PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - acd 10; acn 1074207;
>acs 12; ce 3; pv bxc3 Bg7 Nf3 c5 Bb5+ Bd7 Rb1 O-O Bxd7 Qxd7 O-O;
>rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/6p1/8/3PP3/2P5/P4PPP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq - acd 9; acn 1063778; acs
>11; ce -8; pv Bg7 Nf3 O-O Bc4 c5 O-O cxd4 cxd4 e6;
>rnbqk2r/ppp1ppbp/6p1/8/3PP3/2P5/P4PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - acd 9; acn 1009977; acs
>11; ce 0; pv Nf3 O-O Be2 c5 O-O Bg4 dxc5 Bxc3;
>rnbqk2r/ppp1ppbp/6p1/1B6/3PP3/2P5/P4PPP/R1BQK1NR b KQkq - acd 9; acn 1016677;
>acs 11; ce 13; pv c6 Be2 c5 Nf3 Nc6 Be3 Qa5 Bd2 O-O;
>rnbqk2r/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/1B6/3PP3/2P5/P4PPP/R1BQK1NR w KQkq - acd 8; acn 1007857;
>acs 11; ce -29; pv Bc4 b5 Be2 O-O Nf3 Qa5 Bd2 Qd8;
>rnbqk2r/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/8/B2PP3/2P5/P4PPP/R1BQK1NR b KQkq - acd 9; acn 993523; acs
>11; ce 6; pv b5 Bc2 O-O Ne2 e6 O-O Qf6 Bf4 Nd7;
>rnbq1rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/8/B2PP3/2P5/P4PPP/R1BQK1NR w KQ - acd 9; acn 1030802; acs
>11; ce -13; pv Nf3 Qa5 Qc2 Qa6 Bg5 f6 Bb3+ e6 Bf4;
>rnbq1rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/8/B2PP3/2P2N2/P4PPP/R1BQK2R b KQ - acd 8; acn 961296; acs
>11; ce 7; pv Qa5 Bb2 e5 O-O exd4 cxd4 Qb4 Bb3 Qe7;
>rn1q1rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/8/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P4PPP/R1BQK2R w KQ - acd 8; acn 1011036;
>acs 11; ce -8; pv O-O Qa5 Qc2 Qh5 Ba3 Bxf3 gxf3 Qg5+ Kh1 Nd7 Rg1;
>rn1q1rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/8/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P4PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b - - acd 8; acn 1072820;
>acs 11; ce -1; pv Qa5 Qc2 Qh5 Ba3 Re8 Rab1 b6;
>rn3rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/q7/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P4PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - acd 8; acn 1052565;
>acs 11; ce -12; pv Bd2 e5 d5 Rd8 Bb3 Qc5 h3 Bd7;
>rn3rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/q7/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - acd 8; acn 1055970;
>acs 11; ce -2; pv e5 d5 Rd8 Bb3 Qc5 h3 Bd7 Bg5;
>rn3rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/7q/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - acd 9; acn 1033184;
>acs 11; ce 1; pv h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qxf3 gxf3 Nd7 Bg5 e5 Be7 Rfe8;
>rn3rk1/pp2ppbp/2p3p1/7q/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R1Q1RK1 b - - acd 9; acn 1143850;
>acs 11; ce -10; pv b5 Bb3 Nd7 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qxf3 gxf3 e5 Be3;
>rn3rk1/p3ppbp/1pp3p1/7q/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R1Q1RK1 w - - acd 8; acn 1049620;
>acs 12; ce 10; pv Bf4 c5 Qd3 e6 Rfc1 Rd8 Ne5;
>rn3rk1/p3ppbp/1pp3p1/7q/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R1QR1K1 b - - acd 9; acn 1051407;
>acs 11; ce -1; pv e5 d5 cxd5 exd5 Rd8 c4 Bf5 Rb2 Nd7;
>
>{play by *both* parties flawless to here.  White goes up a pawn:}
>
>r4rk1/p2nppbp/1pp3p1/7q/B2PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R1QR1K1 w - - acd 10; acn
>1279253; acs 11; ce 125; pv Bxc6 Rac8 Bb5 Rfd8 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qxf3 gxf3 e6 Bg5;
>r4rk1/p2nppbp/1pB3p1/7q/3PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R1QR1K1 b - - acd 9; acn 1263119;
>acs 12; ce -130; pv Rac8 Bb5 Rfd8 h3 Bxf3 Qxf3 Qxf3 gxf3 e6 Bg5;
>2r2rk1/p2nppbp/1pB3p1/7q/3PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R1QR1K1 w - - acd 8; acn 1254475;
>acs 11; ce 125; pv Qa4;
>2r2rk1/p2nppbp/1pB3p1/7q/Q2PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R2R1K1 b - - acd 8; acn 1111603;
>acs 11; ce -169; pv Rfd8 Rb5 Nc5 dxc5 Bxf3 cxb6 Qg4 Rg5;
>5rk1/p1rnppbp/1pB3p1/7q/Q2PP1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R2R1K1 w - - acd 9; acn 1118787;
>acs 11; ce 179; pv h3 Bxh3 gxh3 Nb8 Bf4 Rxc6 Bxb8 Rxb8 Qxc6 Qxf3;
>5rk1/p1rnppbp/1pB3p1/4P2q/Q2P2b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R2R1K1 b - - acd 8; acn 1110330;
>acs 10; ce -107; pv Bf5 Be4 Bxe4 Rxe4 e6 Qc2 Qf5 Bg5;
>2r3k1/p1rnppbp/1pB3p1/4P2q/Q2P2b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R2R1K1 w - - acd 9; acn
>1209061; acs 12; ce 136; pv e6 Rxc6 exd7 Bxd7 Qxa7 Qf5 Nh4 Qc2 Qxd7 Qxd2 Rxe7
>Rxc3;
>2r3k1/p1rnppbp/1p4p1/4P2q/Q2PB1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R2R1K1 b - - acd 8; acn
>1148792; acs 11; ce -123; pv Bh6 Bxh6 Qxh6 h3 Bxf3 Bxf3 Nf8 Qb4 e6 Re3;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppbp/1p4p1/4P2q/Q2PB1b1/2P2N2/P2B1PPP/1R2R1K1 w - - acd 9; acn
>1096475; acs 11; ce 125; pv h3 Be6 d5 Bd7 Qb4 Rc5 Qd4 e6;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppbp/1p4p1/4P2q/Q2PB1b1/2P2N1P/P2B1PP1/1R2R1K1 b - - acd 9; acn
>1110667; acs 11; ce -136; pv Bd7 Qa3 h6 Qxe7 Bxh3 Qh4 Qxh4 Nxh4 Bg4;
>2r2nk1/p1rbppbp/1p4p1/4P2q/Q2PB3/2P2N1P/P2B1PP1/1R2R1K1 w - - acd 8; acn
>1143679; acs 11; ce 125; pv Qa3 Re8 d5 h6 d6 exd6 exd6 Rc4 Rb4;
>2r2nk1/p1rbppbp/1p4p1/4P2q/3PB3/Q1P2N1P/P2B1PP1/1R2R1K1 b - - acd 8; acn
>1073904; acs 11; ce -133; pv Re8 Ng5 b5 Bd5 e6 Qd6 Rec8 Be4;
>
>{play by *both* parties flawless to here.  White goes up _another_ pawn:}
>
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppbp/1p4p1/4P2q/3PB3/Q1P2N1b/P2B1PP1/1R2R1K1 w - - acd 10; acn
>1338362; acs 11; ce 258; pv gxh3 Qxh3 Qc1 Qg4+ Kh2 Ne6 Bd5 Rd7 Be4 Rc4;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppbp/1p4p1/4P2q/3PB3/Q1P2N1P/P2B1P2/1R2R1K1 b - - acd 9; acn 1166040;
>acs 11; ce -297; pv Qxh3 Qc1 Qg4+ Kh2 Ne6 Rb5 h6 Bd5 Qh5+ Kg2 Qg4+ Kh1;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppbp/1p4p1/4P3/3PB3/Q1P2N1q/P2B1P2/1R2R1K1 w - - acd 8; acn 1188271;
>acs 11; ce 258; pv Ng5 Qg4+ Bg2 h6 Nf3 Qf5 Qc1 e6 a4;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppbp/1p4p1/4P1N1/3PB3/Q1P4q/P2B1P2/1R2R1K1 b - - acd 9; acn 1243350;
>acs 11; ce -290; pv Qg4+ Bg2 h6 Nf3 e6 Qc1 Nd7 Rb3 Qh5;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppbp/1p4p1/4P1N1/3PB1q1/Q1P5/P2B1P2/1R2R1K1 w - - acd 9; acn 1149341;
>acs 11; ce 248; pv Bg2 h6 Nf3 e6 Qc1 Nd7 Qc2 a6;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppbp/1p4p1/4P1N1/3P2q1/Q1P5/P2B1PB1/1R2R1K1 b - - acd 8; acn 1124878;
>acs 10; ce -290; pv h6 Ne4 Ne6 d5 Nc5 Nxc5 Rxc5 e6 Bxc3 Bxc3 Rxc3 Qxe7;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppb1/1p4pp/4P1N1/3P2q1/Q1P5/P2B1PB1/1R2R1K1 w - - acd 9; acn 1207541;
>acs 12; ce 261; pv Ne4 Ne6 d5 Nf4 Bxf4 Qxf4 d6 exd6 exd6 Rxc3 Qxa7;
>2r2nk1/p1r1ppb1/1p4pp/4P1N1/3PR1q1/Q1P5/P2B1PB1/1R4K1 b - - acd 9; acn 1145899;
>acs 10; ce -299; pv Qd7 Nh3 Qf5 Qc1 e6 Rf4 Qd3 Rg4;
>2r2nk1/p1rqppb1/1p4pp/4P1N1/3PR3/Q1P5/P2B1PB1/1R4K1 w - - acd 8; acn 1077450;
>acs 11; ce 254; pv Nh3 Qf5 Nf4 e6 Qc1 Nd7 Ne2 h5;
>2r2nk1/p1rqpNb1/1p4pp/4P3/3PR3/Q1P5/P2B1PB1/1R4K1 b - - acd 10; acn 1418638; acs
>11; ce -243; pv Kxf7 e6+ Nxe6 Bh3 Qd5 Bxe6+ Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6 Re1+ Kf6 Bf4 Rxc3
>Qxe7+;
>2r2n2/p1rqpkb1/1p4pp/4P3/3PR3/Q1P5/P2B1PB1/1R4K1 w - - acd 9; acn 1445893; acs
>11; ce 243; pv e6+ Nxe6 Bh3 Qd5 Bxe6+ Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6 Re1+ Kf7 Bf4 Rd7 Kg2;
>2r2n2/p1rqpkb1/1p2P1pp/8/3PR3/Q1P5/P2B1PB1/1R4K1 b - - acd 10; acn 1383046; acs
>11; ce -276; pv Nxe6 Bh3 Qd5 Bxe6+ Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6 Re1+ Kf7 Bf4 Rd7 Kg2;
>2r5/p1rqpkb1/1p2n1pp/8/3PR3/Q1P5/P2B1PB1/1R4K1 w - - acd 9; acn 1328154; acs 10;
>ce 276; pv Bh3 Qd5 Bxe6+ Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6 Re1+ Kf7 Bf4 Rd7 Kg2;
>2r5/p1rqpkb1/1p2n1pp/8/3PR3/Q1P4B/P2B1P2/1R4K1 b - - acd 9; acn 1324923; acs 11;
>ce -315; pv Qd5 Bxe6+ Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6 Re1+ Kf7 Bf4 Rd7 Qb3+ Kf8 Qe6;
>2r5/p2qpkb1/1pr1n1pp/8/3PR3/Q1P4B/P2B1P2/1R4K1 w - - acd 8; acn 1212854; acs 11;
>ce 328; pv Rbe1 Qd5 Qxa7 b5 f3 Bf8 Bxe6+ Rxe6 Rxe6 Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6;
>2r5/p2qpkb1/1pr1n1pp/8/3PR3/Q1P4B/P2B1P2/4R1K1 b - - acd 8; acn 1348874; acs 11;
>ce -384; pv Qd5 c4 Qxc4 Bxe6+ Rxe6 Rxe6 Bf6 Rxe7+ Bxe7 Rxe7+ Kf6 Bxh6 Qxd4 Qxa7;
>2r5/p3pkb1/1pr1n1pp/3q4/3PR3/Q1P4B/P2B1P2/4R1K1 w - - acd 9; acn 1481127; acs
>12; ce 366; pv c4 Qxc4 Bxe6+ Rxe6 Rxe6 Kg8 Rxg6 Qf7 Qg3 h5;
>2r5/p3pkb1/1pr1B1pp/3q4/3PR3/Q1P5/P2B1P2/4R1K1 b - - acd 11; acn 1568665; acs
>11; ce -483; pv Rxe6 Rxe6 Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6 Qxa7 Rc6 Qb7 Rd6 Bf4 Rd5 Qxb6+;
>2r5/p3pkb1/1p2r1pp/3q4/3PR3/Q1P5/P2B1P2/4R1K1 w - - acd 10; acn 1627845; acs 12;
>ce 483; pv Rxe6 Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6 Qxa7 Rc6 Qb7 Rd6 Bf4 Rd5 Qxb6+;
>2r5/p3pkb1/1p2R1pp/3q4/3P4/Q1P5/P2B1P2/4R1K1 b - - acd 10; acn 1486810; acs 11;
>ce -483; pv Qxe6 Rxe6 Kxe6 Qxa7 Rh8 Qxb6+ Kf7 Kg2 Bf6 Qc7 Ke6;
>2r5/p3pk2/1p2Rbpp/3q4/3P4/Q1P5/P2B1P2/4R1K1 w - - acd 8; acn 1872522; acs 11; ce
>816; pv Rxf6+ exf6 Qxa7+ Kg8 Bxh6 Qf7 Re7 Qxe7 Qxe7 Rxc3 Qxf6;
>2r5/p3pk2/1p3Rpp/3q4/3P4/Q1P5/P2B1P2/4R1K1 b - - acd 9; acn 1674562; acs 10; ce
>-1415; pv exf6 Qxa7+ Kg8 Re7 Qe6 Rxe6 h5 Rxf6 b5 Qf7+ Kh8 Rxg6;
>2r5/p3p3/1p3kpp/3q4/3P4/Q1P5/P2B1P2/4R1K1 w - - acd 8; acn 1907483; acs 11; ce
>32754; pv Qxe7+ Kf5 Re5+ Kg4 Re4+ Qxe4 Qxe4+ Kh3 Qf3+ Kh4 Qg3+ Kh5 Qh3#;
>2r5/p3Q3/1p3kpp/3q4/3P4/2P5/P2B1P2/4R1K1 b - - acd 1; acn 1907483; acs 1; ce 0;
>pv Kf5;
>2r5/p3Q3/1p4pp/3q1k2/3P4/2P5/P2B1P2/4R1K1 w - - acd 8; acn 2085329; acs 11; ce
>32756; pv Re5+ Kg4 Re4+ Qxe4 Qxe4+ Kh3 Qf3+ Kh4 Qg3+ Kh5 Qh3#;
>2r5/p3Q3/1p4pp/3qRk2/3P4/2P5/P2B1P2/6K1 b - - acd 9; acn 1941190; acs 11; ce
>-32757; pv Qxe5 Qxe5+ Kg4 Qe4+ Kh3 Qf3+ Kh4 Qg3+ Kh5 Qh3#;
>2r5/p3Q3/1p4pp/4qk2/3P4/2P5/P2B1P2/6K1 w - - acd 8; acn 1969307; acs 11; ce
>32758; pv Qxe5+ Kg4 Qe4+ Kh3 Qf3+ Kh4 Qg3+ Kh5 Qh3#;
>2r5/p7/1p4pp/4Qk2/3P4/2P5/P2B1P2/6K1 b - - acd 1; acn 1969307; acs 1; ce 0; pv
>Kg4;
>2r5/p7/1p4pp/4Q3/3P2k1/2P5/P2B1P2/6K1 w - - acd 7; acn 554013; acs 3; ce 32760;
>pv Qe4+ Kh3 Qf3+ Kh4 Qg3+ Kh5 Qh3#;
>2r5/p7/1p2Q1pp/8/3P2k1/2P5/P2B1P2/6K1 b - - acd 8; acn 1838268; acs 11; ce
>-32759; pv Kf3 Qe3+ Kg4 f3+ Kg3 Qf4+ Kh3 Qg4#;
>
>White appears to have played relentlessly and flawlessly.  Black made two
>mistakes.  Draw your own conclusions.  Personally, I don't believe you should
>convict someone for playing perfectly.  However, if the game was rapid, I smell
>a rat.  Maybe two rats.

Thanks Dann.  You came to the same conclusions I did. Yep, perhaps two cheats :(

***  Djordje



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