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Subject: Re: WMCCC

Author: Chris Whittington

Date: 04:47:35 09/26/97

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On September 26, 1997 at 06:57:37, Thorsten Czub wrote:

 

>On September 26, 1997 at 00:04:12, Bruce Moreland wrote:

> 

>> 

>>I don't have any independent information about this.  The only 

>>information I have about MChess is from you.  It sounds like they are 

>>#1 on the wait list.  Assuming they applied after the entries were 

>>selected, isn't this a good compromise situation?  The ICCA doesn't 

>>have to bump anyone out of the tournament, but there is a very very 

>>good chance that another program will drop out, and MChess will get to 

>>play.

>

>They are number one on the waiting list. Yes. Thats true.

> 

>

>> 

>>I don't know when they applied.  I don't know what the wait list 

>>situation is.  I don't know what the ICCA has said to Schreiner/Hirsch. 

>> I don't know the contents of any mail sent from Schreiner/Hirsch to 

>>the ICCA.

>

>It is very nice that you tell me anything what you DON'T know.

> Brilliant idea. We should exchange more of these I DON'T KNOW-lists ! 

>:-)

> 

>

>

>ok, don't let us fight about this.

> You have a point of view that sees positive reasons behind ICCA 

>actions.

> From my point of view the same things look more negative.

> 

>You have a list of things YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT,

> i have heard somebody - a tournament director say to a participant:

> if you don't come with me, I will kick you in the face...

> (The participant this was said is MCHESS, the operator was exactly 

>mr.Peter Schreiner, and the event this happened was PADERBORN 1995. 

>Ossi Weiner is a witness [and some others] and Prof. Jaap van den Herik 

>is the guy told this sentence.). 





This post is a big problem. Basically it would be possible for van den 
Herik to sue for libel. Whether he would win or not is down to whether 
the allegation is provable. Maybe it is true and provable and maybe it 
is not; but can ICDand the moderators take the risk to leave it sitting 
on the server ?

 

If Thorsten posts this into rgcc, as he has done in the past, then its 
his risk, and van den Herik has not tried to make any action about past 
postings.

 

CCC is qualitatively different from rgcc is several ways.

 

Now, Thorsten, don't get me worng, I'm not wanting to censor you, I 
find this an appropriate place to discuss icca - whether they are good 
or bad guys, and so on; but, thankfully, this is a closed forum right 
now, so your message isn't going to give Steve any problems - but you 
are going to have to bear it in mind when posting here. Just a little 
rephrasing woudl do the trick.

 

Instead of:

 

>You have a list of things YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT,

> i have heard somebody - a tournament director say to a participant:

> if you don't come with me, I will kick you in the face...

> (The participant this was said is MCHESS, the operator was exactly 

>mr.Peter Schreiner, and the event this happened was PADERBORN 1995. 

>Ossi Weiner is a witness [and some others] and Prof. Jaap van den Herik 

>is the guy told this sentence.). 



Try this:

 >You have a list of things YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT,

> I have heard something - a tournament director and a participant (you can : > remember this issue, I posted it into rgcc some time ago)

> it was not at all pleasant

> (The participant this was said is MCHESS, the operator was exactly 

>mr.Peter Schreiner, and the event this happened was PADERBORN 1995. 

>Ossi Weiner is a witness [and some others] and Prof. Jaap van den Herik 

>is the participant



In other words, don't put the group into difficulties. You must use 
more careful words - because other people can get sued as well as 
yourself on CCC.

 



So let's talk about icca and $1000 and MChess and all the rest, but 
lets make sure we use mealy mouthed language that skirts around and 
doesn't run the risk of landing anybody in the libel courts.

 

Chris

 


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