Author: blass uri
Date: 14:53:22 03/17/00
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On March 17, 2000 at 14:39:47, Shanti wrote: >On March 17, 2000 at 09:29:02, blass uri wrote: > >>Fritz drew against tal haimovich (the master who lost against Rebel) >>and Deep Junior drew against hasidovsky(the 2176 player who drew against Fritz) >> >>haimovich now claims that he did not know that Rebel was upgraded and want to >>get a win for this game. >> >>I think it was a misunderstanding. >> >>I thought from his words when he saw that I do some changes in Rebel that Rebel6 >>can also win him that he understood that he understood that I upgrade Rebel but >>maybe he thought that I only install a different book and did not understand >>that he plays against a new version. >> >>It is clear that knowing that Rebel is upgraded could not help haimovich because >>he told me after the game that he did no preperation for the game. >> >>one of the shredder operators Rami tal(not the operator in the last game but one >>of the people who was involved in not letting me to use century1.2a in the last >>game) told me also that Fritz was upgraded to Fritz6a. >> >>I think that this operator wants only to win and is not interested in computer >>chess. >>He voted against the decision to allow computers to play. >> >>Shay boshinsky thinks that in comp-comp games but not in human-human games >>computers should have the right to take moves back if there was an operator >>error. >> >>I agree with him. >> >>Uri > >Uri, > >The Israeli chess league rules specify that you CANNOT upgrade the software >during the season but you CAN use a special opening book. I asked almog borstein about it and he told me that I can use Century1.2a because it is still Rebel Century. I told Moshe slav also about it and he told me that there is no problem but maybe he did not understand that this is an upgrade and thought that it is only something like opening book. I asked Yona kosasvilly before playing with the upgrade and he told me to ask Ram sofer and Ram sofer told me to do what I want I understood that the rules are not clear about it and decided to use Century1.2a I think that rules that upgrade are illegal are unfair and if I knew before of my decision to work for Ed in the first place that I cannot change nothing except opening books then maybe I would not want to operate Rebel. humans can learn between games and not only opening books so it is not fair that computers have no right to learn between games. Rami tal said that it is the same as playing with another player and I do not agree because the difference in knowledge if you upgrade the software is similiar to the difference in knowledge of the same player and not of different players. Inspite of this fact I did not decide to play against the rules. The problem was that I was not sure about the rules and did not want not to use an upgrade when I have the right to use it. I tried to ask someone who is above me and they did not tell me not to play with century1.2a. If one of soffer,almog,slav would tell me not to play then I would not play with the upgrade. slav told me not to play with the upgrade against shredder so I decided not to play with it against shredder. >I think the reason was that it is very difficult to tell what's an upgrade and >what’s a new version. >The fact that you and Fritz 6 operator ignore the rules creates bad atmosphere >during the games. Instead of enjoying computer chess people are arguing >constantly. I think you and others just have to respect the rules. I did not mean not to respect the rules. >Saying that Rami Tal is not interest in computer chess but just wants to win is >twisting the truth. Actually he demanded that you will play by the rules like >all the others. Do you mean that the second part (just wants to win) is twisting the truth or also the first part (is not interested in computer chess) About the second part: My experience with him is that he does every legal thing in order to win. If someone got the impression that I say that he did something illegal then I apologize. Some facts: Rami Tal demanded that I will play by the rules only before the game against shredder. He did not do it when he knew that I used the upgrade in the first time. Rami Tal also demanded that Junior will not be connected to the internet in the game against shredder when I had no problem with it because I think that not letting Junior to be connected to the internet is unfair and I do not care about cheating because I believe Amir Ban and it is also posssible to check it. Rami Tal also voted against computers in the league and this give me the impression that he does not interested in computer chess. He prefered to take advantage of operator errors instead of letting the operator to take back a move and play a real comp-comp games. These are the facts. Do you know about cases when he did something that was against shredder's chance to win because he felt that the rule is unfair? >Your actions caused Tal Haimovich to feel cheated. Why shouldn’t he get a win? >He played by the rules while you ignored the rules. I am sorry that he felt cheated. Best Regards Uri
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