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Subject: Re: Sixteen EPD rows that need a good pounding! [Soszynski 80 test set]

Author: Peter McKenzie

Date: 19:09:17 03/17/00

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On March 17, 2000 at 21:43:22, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On March 17, 2000 at 21:31:38, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>On March 17, 2000 at 21:03:40, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:
>>>Hi Dann,
>>>
>>>>In order to create an accurate tactical suite, I would like to have these rows
>>>>crunched by alternative software tools.  The current analysis does not get "the
>>>>right answer" so the question is, will other programs see it?
>>>
>>>Most of the positions you posted do *not* seem to be tactical but
>>>rather positional in nature (e.g. "Soszynski 80 #13" is actually
>>>from the positional subset of LCT-II).
>>>
>>>>[D]r1r3k1/5p2/p3p1p1/b6p/Pp2N3/1P2P3/5PPP/2R1K2R w K - acd 18; acn 1259897193;
>>>>ce -32; pv O-O Bd8 Rfd1 Be7 Kf1 Kf8 Ke1 f5 Ng3 Rc3 Rb1 Kf7 Ne2 Rc5 Rbc1 Rac8
>>>>Rxc5 Bxc5 Nd4; pm O-O; bm Ke2; id "Soszynski 80 #8";
>>>
>>>Positional -- "DarkThought WCCC'99" never chooses 0-0 as best. It likes
>>>Ke2 from the beginning and even switches to Kd2 in iteration #15.
>>
>>Which brings the question to mind: why would anyone want their king on g1
>>instead of d2 or e2 here?  Playing O-O looks like a serious mistake to me.
>
>I'll bet it's a somewhat misapplied king safety calculation.  Still three loose
>pieces on the board and castling looks sensible if you can't see the board (I
>know that sounds silly, but I bet most king safety calculations just look at
>game phase).  In any case, it's not a big loss, because you can always pop the
>king whenever you like by opening the can with g3.
>
>I think e2 is better, but it's very marginally better.  You have to do something
>to protect the rook, and it's about time to bring the king into the fray.  But I
>remain unconvinced that one move is vastly superior to the other.  Of course,

I think white has much better winning chances after Ke2, I wouldn't be surprised
if O-O throws away a half point with best play.

I think whites plan is to centralise both rooks and infiltrate on the queen
side.  This may involve regrouping the knight (possibly to c4 which would be a
nice outpost), and maybe swapping one or both pairs of rooks.  The king on e2
has the following advantages:
- later it may run to the queenside and gobble black pawns
- it helps keep black rooks out of d2
- it can help white oppose a black rook on the d-file if a pair of rooks is
swapped off.

I did a quick check with LambChop, it chooses Ke2 from ply 1 through ply 9
(didn't complete ply 10) with a score of around +0.4.

cheers,
Peter



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