Author: blass uri
Date: 05:48:41 03/18/00
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On March 18, 2000 at 05:25:24, Shanti wrote: >> >>I think that rules that upgrade are illegal are unfair and if I knew before of >>my decision to work for Ed in the first place that I cannot change nothing >>except opening books then maybe I would not want to operate Rebel. >> >>humans can learn between games and not only opening books so it is not fair >>that computers have no right to learn between games. >> > >I think you can argue whether using an upgrade is fair or not. I can state >reason for both sides. > >. >. >. > >>Rami tal said that it is the same as playing with another player and I do not >>agree because the difference in knowledge if you upgrade the software is >>similiar to the difference in knowledge of the same player and not of different >>players. > >Again there is a big question is what an upgrade is. Actually you can wrap any >new major version as an update. > >. >. >. >> >>Do you mean that the second part (just wants to win) is twisting the truth or >>also the first part (is not interested in computer chess) >> >>About the second part: >>My experience with him is that he does every legal thing in order to win. >>If someone got the impression that I say that he did something illegal then I >>apologize. >> >>Some facts: >> >>Rami Tal demanded that I will play by the rules only before the game against >>shredder. >>He did not do it when he knew that I used the upgrade in the first time. >> > >You assume he knew that you were using an upgrade before the game with Shredder. >Actually I told it to him just before the round. > >>Rami Tal also demanded that Junior will not be connected to the internet in the >>game against shredder when I had no problem with it because I think that not >>letting Junior to be connected to the internet is unfair and I do not care about >>cheating because I believe Amir Ban and it is also posssible to check it. >> > >I can see reasons for that as well. Will you allow a player to play in the >league through a cellular phone? I think that only if I can check that he does not cheat. I think that I would allow humans to play by cellular telephone if they can care that there is a camera following them in all the game and it is possible to look at the movie of the game to see that they do not cheat. I think that there are many rules that should be changed. One of them is that if a team has not enough players the other players cannot play. I have no problem with punishment for the team who did not have enough players but I think that punishing also the players who did go to play is not fair. > >> >>Rami Tal also voted against computers in the league and this give me the >>impression that he does not interested in computer chess. >> > >Since I talked with him about that few times I know he has reasons for that (I >agree with some of his reasons). The main reason that I am for computers in the Israeli league is that I am interested to see more games between strong humans and computers. Does Rami tal suggest a different solution instead of the Israeli league to have games of computers against humans? >. >. >. >>He prefered to take advantage of operator errors instead of letting the operator >>to take back a move and play a real comp-comp games. >> > >As a captain of a team I'm not sure what would I do. anyway you can argue what >should you do in case of an error. When do you correct an error? after 1 move , >two moves, after ten moves atc. By the way the rules declares that the position >on the board and clock are the game reference. What about the clocks? Why should >a computer have better chances just because his operator is faster? We can just >let the computer clocks decide (There is some logic in doing so). There is a problem with letting the computer clock decide in comp-comp games but in this case the slower operator will have an advantage because the slower operator can use the permanent brain for more time. I think the only logical solution is that the operators will use the same time for operating their programs. I also think that the difference between slow and fats operators is not very significant. being 10% faster give programs less than 10 elo rating advantage when operator error is a big problem. Best regards, Uri
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