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Subject: Re: Amnon in Fritz

Author: Francis Monkman

Date: 03:48:46 03/23/00

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On March 23, 2000 at 06:14:22, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On March 23, 2000 at 05:16:56, Francis Monkman wrote:
>
>>On March 23, 2000 at 03:09:33, Jason Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>I have been running Amnon 5.06 under Fritz and have noticed really WEIRD
>>>pondering by Amnon.  It almost seems that it was just randomly looking at a move
>>>and analysing it, even if said move just dropped a queen in one move, or a piece
>>>or what ever.   Mind you, it plays ok on its own time, and still maintains a
>>>position of one of the top 5 or 6 amatuer chess engines I have.
>>>
>>>Jason
>>
>>If I'm not mistaken, this problem is related to the difficulty of extracting a
>>pv line from an MTD(f) search.
>>
>>Francis
>
>This is interesting (to me anyway). My program uses mtd(f) and it extracts
>its PV from the hash table. I found that if the hash table is of a reasonable
>size, the PV for the first several plies is usually OK.
>

It was just the other day (after some experiments with MTD(f), storing pv in
hash table etc) that I noticed that AnMon's pv line in Winboard was clearly
printing garbage. I note your use of the words 'reasonable' and 'usually' with
interest!

BTW on this topic, I wrote to Prof Hyatt recently pointing out that I'd found
identicalities in the 17 lsbs (all I'm using for hash address-generation in a
Chess variant, Shatra) of the piece hashkeys' random numbers output by the
'Knuth' algorithm he implements in Crafty. Also that Knuth now (1990s revision)
proposes a fix for said algorithm.



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