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Subject: Re: Amnon in Fritz

Author: Jason Williamson

Date: 11:26:06 03/23/00

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On March 23, 2000 at 08:24:39, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On March 23, 2000 at 07:49:50, Jason Williamson wrote:
>
>>On March 23, 2000 at 06:14:22, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>
>>>On March 23, 2000 at 05:16:56, Francis Monkman wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 23, 2000 at 03:09:33, Jason Williamson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I have been running Amnon 5.06 under Fritz and have noticed really WEIRD
>>>>>pondering by Amnon.  It almost seems that it was just randomly looking at a move
>>>>>and analysing it, even if said move just dropped a queen in one move, or a piece
>>>>>or what ever.   Mind you, it plays ok on its own time, and still maintains a
>>>>>position of one of the top 5 or 6 amatuer chess engines I have.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jason
>>>>
>>>>If I'm not mistaken, this problem is related to the difficulty of extracting a
>>>>pv line from an MTD(f) search.
>>>>
>>>>Francis
>>>
>>>This is interesting (to me anyway). My program uses mtd(f) and it extracts
>>>its PV from the hash table. I found that if the hash table is of a reasonable
>>>size, the PV for the first several plies is usually OK.
>>>
>>>Some figures: I've got a log files from the last few days' play on ICC.
>>>PostModernist pondered 4515 times in these games and its pondering move
>>>was right 52% of the time. Obviously this doesn't say anything about the
>>>quality of the moves it was pondering when it was wrong, but in watching it
>>>I have only very rarely noticed my program pondering a move that is obviously
>>>not going to occur.
>>>
>>>Is there any way, Jason, to say how often AnMon's pondering move is correct?
>>>Even an approximation would be interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>Andrew
>>
>>
>>Lets say 1 in 10 would be generous.  Compared to other engines, Anmon was
>>pondering quite bizzare.  I mean, with PM, how often will PM ponder a move that
>>puts a piece enprise?
>
>OK. That is odd. What size hash table has it got? Does it ever fail to produce
>a move at the root?
>
>As for PM, I think this happens *very* rarely. I've seen that maybe four
>or five times since PM has been online, but of course I don't watch every
>game, nor do I inspect every log file it generates.
>
>
>Andrew


Im a little unclear as to what you mean "fail to produce a move a root".  If
mean failing to generate a line to ponder, no I never noticed that.  As to the
hash I was using 32M.

Jason



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