Author: Peter McKenzie
Date: 18:22:35 03/25/00
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On March 25, 2000 at 17:35:27, Christophe Theron wrote: >On March 25, 2000 at 13:16:02, blass uri wrote: > >>On March 25, 2000 at 11:49:38, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On March 25, 2000 at 08:22:14, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>suppose you give Fritz6a pentium90(the hardware that Fritz3 used when it won the >>>>world championship)and give it to play against Fritz3 with the best hardware >>>>that it can use today. >>>> >>>>Which program is going win at tournament time control? >>>>The same question is for other programs. >>>> >>>>Do most programmers did bigger software improvement or the main reason that >>>>their program has better rating is the hardware improvement?(I do not include >>>>beginners who did mainly software improvements and I do not include people who >>>>did not work or almost did not work on improving their programs in the last >>>>years). >>>> >>>>I think that Genius3 had a clear advantage against other programs some years ago >>>>and the fact that the programmer did almost nothing to improve his program is >>>>the reason that hardware was dominant in 1994-1997 if you look at the best >>>>program. >>>>(I mean only to programs that people can buy and I ignore cray blitz or deep >>>>thought). >>>> >>>>The reason that people in the israeli league decided that programmers has no >>>>right to do upgrade is that they were afraid that programs will get 200 elo >>>>improvement by an upgrade. >>>> >>>>I explained rami tal that I think that most of the improvement in the last years >>>>if you look only at the best program are by hardware. >>>> >>>>I explained him that theoretically it is possible to do 200 elo improvement but >>>>practically this thing does not happen and an upgrade can probably give >>>>something like 0.5 point in 10 games. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>I think software and hardware go hand in hand but that all the hardware >>>speed-up of the past years is by far superior to software changes. This >>>has been the case since day one and I wonder if it will ever change. >>> >>>Ed >> >>I remmeber that Amir Ban claimed in the past that half of the improvement is >>software and half is hardware. >> >>I see from the ssdf list that there is a significant difference between Junior5 >>and Junior6 and it seems that in this case the hardware improvement is really >>close to be equal to the software improvement(I do not include using more than >>one processor in my comparison because the ability to use more than one >>processor is also part of the software) >> >>Maybe the fact that you work with christophe is also going to help Rebel-tiger >>also to get similiar results. >> >>Uri > > >Certainly. For example I estimate that Chess Tiger has improved by roughly 70 >elo points between mid '98 and mid '99. Part of this improvement comes from my >cooperation with Ed, and another part comes from my personal work. > >Trying and testing new ideas is a very long process. I think that so far I have Yes, I too have a huge number of ideas that I haven't had time to implement and test... >been able to use only 10% of the ideas that came from my discussions with Ed. >That leaves room for further improvements, believe me! Out of interest, what language to you and Ed use to discuss chess programming ideas? Dutch, French, or English? > > > Christophe
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