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Subject: Re: Match Junior 6a - Tiger 12e (40 in 2 hr, 20 in 1hr) completed...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:06:01 03/27/00

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On March 25, 2000 at 23:13:49, Tina Long wrote:

>On March 25, 2000 at 14:28:13, James Robertson wrote:
>
>>On March 25, 2000 at 13:41:28, Roger wrote:
>>
>>>Would tablebases for Tiger have changed this result at all?
>>>
>>>Roger
>>
>>Maybe a quarter of a point.... My experience with tablebases is that if the
>>program is moderately smart it doesn't benefit tremendously from them.
>>
>>James
>>
>Ed Schroder said about 6 months ago that Tablebases were worth about 10 points
>on the SSDF scale.
>
>I'm 70% sure he said that! I'm 100% sure that Ed said once that something was
>worth very little rating points.
>
>I'm glad I could add some real detail to this discussion.
>
>Tina Long


Ed is wrong there.  it is _amazing_ how many comp vs comp games end up in
krp vs kr, with the side without tablebases losing most of those.  There are
other endings too (KQP vs KQ, see for example crafty vs nimzo in the ICCT
tournament last month).

The wrong way to test this is to play A with, vs A without.  the right way to
test this is A without vs B without, then A with vs B without.  But A ought to
be reasonably close to B without tablebases...



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