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Subject: Re: Hashtable size: diminishing returns?

Author: Bruce Ramsey

Date: 09:44:58 03/28/00

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On March 27, 2000 at 12:26:02, Gordon Rattray wrote:

>How much benefit can one expect by supplying more RAM for hash tables?

Are you looking at this from the standpoint of a user of commercial chess
programs (Shredder/Fritz/Junior/Tiger/etc)?  That's my slant, so my interest in
move-ordering/algorithm-internals is low.  I just want to know how much it
matters to a commercial chess program to have more RAM.

>Should it be Athalon or PIII?  For the PIII, I'd be planning on a 800Mhz with
>either 384Mb RDRAM (i820 chipset) or 786Mb SDRAM (440BX chipset).

Yeah, tomshardware.com turned me off RDRAM before I even saw the sky-high RDRAM
prices.  So for the short term it looks like SDRAM.  But how much RAM gets you
to the point of diminishing returns with respect to commercial chess programs?
Comments from the gurus would be welcome :-)

Looks to me like it's either Micron with a Via chipset for the 133Mhz SDRAM, or
Gateway/Dell with 100Mhz SDRAM.

Do any gurus have comments with respect to how much it matters to commercial
chess programs to have 133Mhz SDRAM versus 100Mhz SDRAM?

Do any gurus have comments with respect to a Gateway Pentium versus a Gateway
Athalon (with respect to the Athalon's reputed 200Mhz bus)?

>Hence, my original question.  Especially for long time controls, should I go
>for more of the less expensive SDRAM (768Mb)?

I too am interested in long time controls, in my case for overnight game
analysis.  If maxing out on RAM does NOT help computer-computer blitz games, but
DOES help overnight analysis, then lots of RAM is interesting to me, up until
the point where it blows my budget :-)

>Finally, can anyone recommend a retailer?  I've been mainly looking at Dell and
>Gateway.

I'd be interested in recommendations as well.  I'm well aware money can be saved
by building my own system, but I'm not going to.  It's going to be
Dell/Gateway/Micron/HP/IBM or some other not-bottom-tier system builder, so
comments from the gurus on such choices would be great.

thanks, Bruce



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