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Subject: Re: Match Junior 6a - Tiger 12e (40 in 2 hr, 20 in 1hr) completed...

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 20:00:52 03/28/00

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On March 27, 2000 at 11:41:15, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On March 27, 2000 at 02:08:44, Tina Long wrote:
>
>>On March 26, 2000 at 11:45:38, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On March 25, 2000 at 23:13:49, Tina Long wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 25, 2000 at 14:28:13, James Robertson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 25, 2000 at 13:41:28, Roger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Would tablebases for Tiger have changed this result at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Roger
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe a quarter of a point.... My experience with tablebases is that if the
>>>>>program is moderately smart it doesn't benefit tremendously from them.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>Ed Schroder said about 6 months ago that Tablebases were worth about 10 points
>>>>on the SSDF scale.
>>>>
>>>>I'm 70% sure he said that! I'm 100% sure that Ed said once that something was
>>>>worth very little rating points.
>>>>
>>>>I'm glad I could add some real detail to this discussion.
>>>>
>>>>Tina Long
>>>
>>>
>>>As far as I know, endgames are not Tiger's weak point.
>>>
>>>One thing I'm sure about: as far as playing strength is the subject, I have a
>>>long list of ideas that, in my opinion, will give much more than tablebases.
>>>
>>>It does not matter if tablebases are easy to implement or not (they are not,
>>>unless you want to do it the dirty way, and I won't), I don't see the point in
>>>working on this before I fix more important things.
>>
>>
>>Good, I think you should work on whatever gives you the most performance
>>improvement per working hour.  I also think you should get the main ideas
>>implimented and tested before Sept. 15 2000.  Test & promote heavily through
>>October.  Top the December 12 SSDF list by 7 clear points (+-50). And get the
>>next version out in time to beat Christmas.
>
>
>Yes. I'm working hard on these 7 elo points. :)
>
>This year I hope we will be on time. I'll try to have a version ready to be
>released all the time. So if Ed calls me and say: "we want the new engine now",
>I can send him immediately the bloody DLL.
>
>
>
>
>>And I should know, because today I'm an opinionated bitch on Rum.
>
>
>We produce rum here in Guadeloupe (because we produce sugar cane). But I swear
>no rum has been involved in the making of the Chess Tiger engine. Well... Almost
>no rum.
>
>
>
>>Ha, No computer program has EVER resorted to tablebases to Soundly Flog me.
>
>
>The same for me. Are you ready to fill your hard disk with 1Gb endgame
>databases? Or maybe you prefer to fill these 1Gb with the new screen saver from
>Microsoft?

There are good chances that both those products were developed/produced on the
same hardware...

Eugene

>    Christophe



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