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Subject: Re: Amateur programs vs Commercial ones

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 22:31:34 03/29/00

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On March 29, 2000 at 22:13:55, James Robertson wrote:



>Are you sure this picture is true for Ferret?


No idea. But Bruce himself admitted that it was hard to consider Ferret as an
"amateur" program, as he can spend a LOT of time on it.

However it is not my intention to enter the "who is commercial who is not"
debate.



>Does this really match Zarkov's style?


As far as I know, Zarkov is a commercial program.



>Can you imagine this happening to Crafty?


You really want my good relationship with Bob to deteriorate? :)



>Have you ever seen LGoliath unable to mate a QK vs K?


I have never seen LGoliath.



>Is it not true Insomniac placed 3rd at the ICC tourney,
>tied with a commercial program on superior hardware?


So Insomniac has never encountered any of the problems I described?



>Is AnMon really such a pathetic opponent?


Did I say so?



>Etc. etc. etc. etc.
>
>I think some of you commercial guys are too puffed up. I understand that the
>commercial programs are usually better, but be realistic. There is much evidence
>against the pathetic picture you paint below, even not counting such fabulous
>programs as Ferret.
>
>Maybe you are joking and this is all jest. Still, until that is proven, I'm
>offended. :)


You should not. Reread what I have written, and this time replace "amateur" by
"Chess Tiger in 1997-1998".

All I have written happened to me, when I was on the amateur side.

BTW I don't feel like a different person now that I am on the "commercial" side.
All this is virtual.

At some point you think you have a great amateur program. And you have. But it
happens that your commercial opponent's greatest pleasure is to beat you on
small unsignificant details. And it gets on your nerve hard. And to fix this you
have to spend thousands of hours of boring work.

That's IMO the ultimate difference between good amateur and good commercial
programs. Is it an offense to amateur programmers to say so?



    Christophe



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