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Subject: Re: Books

Author: Pete Galati

Date: 07:38:59 03/30/00

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On March 30, 2000 at 02:13:04, blass uri wrote:

>On March 29, 2000 at 20:46:17, Pete Galati wrote:
>
>>On March 29, 2000 at 19:53:59, Anatoli wrote:
>>
>>>Hi everyone !
>>>
>>>I read many times that it is better for every chess engine to use it is own book
>>>which was prepared for it by experienced players, even IG. OK, I looked through
>>>the books which were prepared for Ftitz, Junior or Hiarcs. They are on the CDs
>>>and everybody can copy them on your hard drive. But I can't see any point to do
>>>it. There is nothing special about these books. There are thousands and
>>>thousands games in there from the girl's and boy's tournaments aged under 10-12.
>>>Who could chose these games for Fritz or Junior, what is the value of these
>>>games in the Fritz's library ? What can it learn from these games ? As for me, I
>>>deleted all games of this sort from my DB. So, my personal opinion is that the
>>>books of most top engines are just a collection of any games which were squeezed
>>>into a tree. Let's better make our own books.
>>>Thanks
>>>Anatoli
>>
>>It's very difficult to improve on opening books selected by the programmer, if
>>you look here: http://members.xoom.com/avochess/MOREPGN.TXT  you'll see a
>>summary of what I put in a Crafty opening book that I made, it was a collection
>>originally selected for Amy.
>>
>>This ended up being a 218mb opening book when compiled by Crafty at 60 ply, the
>>one you can download at Bob's ftp is only 12mb.
>>
>>Here's a pgnres of a small tournament where I've been testing it against the old
>>opening book, my book is "Crafty" and the original opening book is "Craftyob".
>>
>>There's only 4 games left in this tournament, between my opening book's Crafty,
>>& TCB.  The Crafty with my opening book is so far behind in percentage points
>>that it won't catch up in 4 games.  My book lost I think.
>>
>>Pete
>
>I think that your results are not statistically significant and we cannot reject
>the conjecture that your book and crafty's book have the same value for crafty.
>
>Uri

You're right, my results are not "statistically significant", but what I'm
saying, is that Crafty's book has _more_ value to the program than mine does.
Keep in mind, that my book is massive, and designed with other things in mind,
while Crafty's book is a reasonable size, and specifically designed for Crafty.

My opinion is that Crafty's book is better, not that they're the same value.

Pete



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