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Subject: Re: Computers in national championships

Author: Mogens Larsen

Date: 09:10:16 04/06/00

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On April 06, 2000 at 11:22:35, Jeroen Noomen wrote:

>Hi everybody,
>
>There have been a lot of reactions to my last posting, in which I told about
>Fritz SSS* taking part in the Dutch championship. Unfortunately most of the
>debate was related to 'should computers be allowed to play in human
>tournaments'. This is of course an interesting subject, but for me the big point
>is that we are talking about the national championship of my country Holland.

Well, the danish championship is starting soon as well. I would hate to see
Gandalf participate. I think I've already answered some of the questions, but I
might as well improve my lack of popularity by offending some computer chess
addicts.

>That a computer can take part in such an event raises the following questions:
>
>1. Has a computer a nationality?

No. Only humans can belong to a certain nationality. Patent rights don't count.

>2. Can a computer be a national champion?

Obviously not.

>3. Players in a national championship are members of the national federation.
>   Can a computer be a member of a national federation?

No.

>4. Can the same computer take part in several national championships?
>   F.e. if the French, the German and the Brittish Chess Federations agree
>   that the same computer can play in their national championship, could we
>   have one and the same player be a champion of many countries?

That would indeed be amusing. Your countryman Tim Krabbe has an amusing example
concerning the olimpics. Only Fritz participating :o).

>5. What about the rules, that state that if there is a free place in the
>   championship, this should be given to somebody with the highest rating or
>   to somebody who was knocked out in the semi finals. This has been violated
>   now and this player has every reason to complain.

He should complain and the chess federation of the Netherlands has to process it
according to the rules.

>6. What if the machine will be the champion: Can (in this case Holland) this
>   country put the machine on board 1 of the Olympiad team?

Off course not :o).

>7. I am interested in who is the strongest player of my country. A computer
>   program has nothing to do with this.

I agree. The same goes for all national championships.

>8. A national championship is a serious event, now that Van der Sterren
>   refuses to play, his loss by forfeit is affecting the result. What f.e.
>   if Van der Sterren scores the most points, but will be 2nd because of the
>   loss by means of forfeit? Isn't Van der Sterren champion in that case?

No, because he chose to participate in the tournament. If Van der Sterren wanted
to make a point he could lose all the games as a protest or refuse to play at
all. There's a difference between allowing computers to participate in national
championships and refusing to play an opponent.

>9. Can a national chess federation oblige somebody to play a computer? IMO
>   this can NEVER be the case.

No, but the chess federation had a brain malfunction when allowing a chess
program to participate.

>I'll be very interested in the comments of other readers of CCC on these
>questions! Thanks in advance and have a good day.

Thank you.

Best wishes...
Mogens



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