Author: Harald Faber
Date: 03:32:20 04/07/00
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On April 07, 2000 at 06:08:17, Jeff Nouveau wrote: >On April 07, 2000 at 05:41:43, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On April 07, 2000 at 05:08:06, Jeff Nouveau wrote: >> >> >>>So, I think we agree on the fact that we need 3 sets of rules for these 3 >>>disciplines. >>> >>>I sincerely think that we can find a set of rules that will permit comp-human >>>competition on fair basis. And I think we need it : many of us want to know :o) >>> >>>Jeff >> >>What are your suggested conditions? >>Should humans be allowed to use opening books? Why (not)? > >Many simple ideas have been suggested in this forum, and I think they are worth >experimenting : > >1-Use of database (only database, no engine of course ;o), For OTB play? I am not sure how big the influence of a large book is for the program and the human. I'd assume the human to really know his opening repertoire so that the benefit is not so big. >2-Incremental time control, No problem. >3-Maybe ending tablebases, if the computer have them. > >I don't think we need much more than that. With this kind of conditions, I'm >sure we respect everyone's work : player, programmer, opening book maker... > >What do you think ? > >Jeff I have come to no conclusion. Major point of course are the databases, opening and endgame. Computers can access them very easily. Humans also have their opening database / opening book in mind. It is smaller, no doubt. But would the human (IM/GM) profit from a real database instead of only relying on his memory? What about endgame databases? I think many humans are stronger in endgames than comps even with TBs. Humans know HOW to play pawn and rook plus pawn endings, assuming more than 2-3 pawns each side. On the other hand these TBs have surprised even John Nunn in some positions where humans with their knowledge mis-evaluated some positions. But how important are they for practical play? I don't know. And, finally, every opening book, no matter how large it is, has some holes in it.
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