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Subject: Re: A queen handicap every ten years?

Author: Georg Langrath

Date: 06:58:25 04/09/00

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On April 09, 2000 at 03:07:13, blass uri wrote:

>On April 08, 2000 at 17:39:14, Georg Langrath wrote:
>
>>In Computerchess magazine ”Modul” from Austria number 3.90 there was a match
>>related between Portorose 16bit and the chesscomputer  ”Super System lll”  from
>>1980. They had taken the queen from Portorose, and still Portorose won. And they
>>asked themselves if it was possible to take the queen from the best
>>chesscomputer from year 2000 and let it win against Portorose 16bit.
>>
>>That is really an interesting experiment. Has anybody Portorose or some computer
>>like that, and want to let it play against for example Fritz 6 without queen?
>
>
>I do not know if Fritz6 is the best program to win with a queen odd.
>
>The best program to win a game is not the same as the best program to win weak
>opponents with a queen odd.
>
>I have also no idea about the rating of Portorose 16bit.
>
>I do not think that it is possible to win with a queen odd every 10 years and I
>believe that it is impossible to win the top programs of today at tournament
>time control with a queen odd and the way that you play is not relevant.
>
>I read some years ago in new in chess about a human(1800 rating) who won Fritz3
>in 10 minutes/game with a rook odd but he did not tell how many games he played
>in order to achieve the win.
>
>Uri

Portorose 16bit had about 2000 ELO-rating. I don't know about Super System lll,
but I think a good guess would be 1300. That makes a difference between them of
700 ELO-rating. About the same could it be between Portorose 16-bit and the best
program on best hardware today.
My personally guess is that it would not be possible to beat Portorose 16-bit
without queen. Portorose has so much more knowledge than Super System lll and I
don't think that it is enough that the ELO-gap is the same. But it would
nevertheless be an interesting experiment.
Another interesting thing is that the ELO-gap between 1980 and 1990 was 700, and
 it is the same ELO-gap between 1990 and 2000. Is Elo 3400 year 2010? I don't
think so, but who can say for sure.

Georg





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