Author: Georg Langrath
Date: 06:58:25 04/09/00
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On April 09, 2000 at 03:07:13, blass uri wrote: >On April 08, 2000 at 17:39:14, Georg Langrath wrote: > >>In Computerchess magazine ”Modul” from Austria number 3.90 there was a match >>related between Portorose 16bit and the chesscomputer ”Super System lll” from >>1980. They had taken the queen from Portorose, and still Portorose won. And they >>asked themselves if it was possible to take the queen from the best >>chesscomputer from year 2000 and let it win against Portorose 16bit. >> >>That is really an interesting experiment. Has anybody Portorose or some computer >>like that, and want to let it play against for example Fritz 6 without queen? > > >I do not know if Fritz6 is the best program to win with a queen odd. > >The best program to win a game is not the same as the best program to win weak >opponents with a queen odd. > >I have also no idea about the rating of Portorose 16bit. > >I do not think that it is possible to win with a queen odd every 10 years and I >believe that it is impossible to win the top programs of today at tournament >time control with a queen odd and the way that you play is not relevant. > >I read some years ago in new in chess about a human(1800 rating) who won Fritz3 >in 10 minutes/game with a rook odd but he did not tell how many games he played >in order to achieve the win. > >Uri Portorose 16bit had about 2000 ELO-rating. I don't know about Super System lll, but I think a good guess would be 1300. That makes a difference between them of 700 ELO-rating. About the same could it be between Portorose 16-bit and the best program on best hardware today. My personally guess is that it would not be possible to beat Portorose 16-bit without queen. Portorose has so much more knowledge than Super System lll and I don't think that it is enough that the ELO-gap is the same. But it would nevertheless be an interesting experiment. Another interesting thing is that the ELO-gap between 1980 and 1990 was 700, and it is the same ELO-gap between 1990 and 2000. Is Elo 3400 year 2010? I don't think so, but who can say for sure. Georg
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