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Subject: Re: Smarter programs not bigger TBs

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:18:36 04/10/00

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On April 10, 2000 at 17:22:09, Arndra L. Sharp wrote:

>On April 10, 2000 at 15:52:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 10, 2000 at 11:20:51, Arndra L. Sharp wrote:
>>
>>>First of all let me state that I am not a programmer, just someone who enjoys
>>>computer chess immensely.  I have seen a lot of posts that put down the Endgame
>>>Turbo disks because they do not contain all of the TBs, in particular those TBs
>>>after the pawn queens.  I think it a good idea to reduce the hard drive space
>>>required for TBs by pruning those TBs that any good chess program can figure out
>>>if its brain was not disabled.  It seems the real problem is that those programs
>>>that use TBs turn off the permanent brain once the program is in a TB position
>>>and then the program gets confused if after a pawn queens and the now simple win
>>>(for good chess programs) is not in the TB folder.  This is something that the
>>>programmers probably did not anticipate originally everyone has seen games where
>>>this impacts the result. Now that this has been identified, why can't the
>>>programmers tell their programs to follow the TB tree to pawn promotion and
>>>reset the permanent brain at that point.  Many people have reported that the
>>>programs that blunder with missing 5 man TBs play the same ending fine with 3
>>>and 4 man TBs.  It just seems that the programs don't know how to think again
>>>after they start down a tree and the tree ends before checkmate.  A bug fix by
>>>the programmers would be more preferable than taking up another 5 gigs of hard
>>>drive space.
>>>
>>>Arndra
>>
>>
>>Crafty does this correctly.  But with the price of disk drives, holding all the
>>3-4-5 piece files is now trivial...  40 gigs for 250 bucks is typical now.  You
>>only need 8 gigs for _all_ the 3-4-5 piece files (compressed).
>
>Does anyone sell all the TBs on CDs?  Surely everyone who has them is not
>generating them with the program that comes with the 32-bit Chessbase programs.
>That would take several weeks and a memory ladened machine; I can't imagine
>downloading 8 gig either.


Not that I know of.  CDs are a poor way to distribute these things as the 8
gig set would take almost 15 CDs... and the 32 gigs we have including 6 piece
endings (so far) would take 50 CDs or so, which is beyond reason...



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