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Subject: Re: Smarter programs not bigger TBs

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:44:59 04/11/00

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On April 11, 2000 at 12:18:46, Jason Williamson wrote:

>On April 11, 2000 at 09:31:51, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 11, 2000 at 03:07:48, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>On April 10, 2000 at 17:22:09, Arndra L. Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 10, 2000 at 15:52:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 10, 2000 at 11:20:51, Arndra L. Sharp wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>First of all let me state that I am not a programmer, just someone who enjoys
>>>>>>computer chess immensely.  I have seen a lot of posts that put down the Endgame
>>>>>>Turbo disks because they do not contain all of the TBs, in particular those TBs
>>>>>>after the pawn queens.  I think it a good idea to reduce the hard drive space
>>>>>>required for TBs by pruning those TBs that any good chess program can figure out
>>>>>>if its brain was not disabled.  It seems the real problem is that those programs
>>>>>>that use TBs turn off the permanent brain once the program is in a TB position
>>>>>>and then the program gets confused if after a pawn queens and the now simple win
>>>>>>(for good chess programs) is not in the TB folder.  This is something that the
>>>>>>programmers probably did not anticipate originally everyone has seen games where
>>>>>>this impacts the result. Now that this has been identified, why can't the
>>>>>>programmers tell their programs to follow the TB tree to pawn promotion and
>>>>>>reset the permanent brain at that point.  Many people have reported that the
>>>>>>programs that blunder with missing 5 man TBs play the same ending fine with 3
>>>>>>and 4 man TBs.  It just seems that the programs don't know how to think again
>>>>>>after they start down a tree and the tree ends before checkmate.  A bug fix by
>>>>>>the programmers would be more preferable than taking up another 5 gigs of hard
>>>>>>drive space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Arndra
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty does this correctly.  But with the price of disk drives, holding all the
>>>>>3-4-5 piece files is now trivial...  40 gigs for 250 bucks is typical now.  You
>>>>>only need 8 gigs for _all_ the 3-4-5 piece files (compressed).
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone sell all the TBs on CDs?
>>>
>>>Try http://mitglied.tripod.de/ChessBits/index.html! They sell 10 CDs or one
>>>harddisk for 3-5 piece.
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>
>>Unfortunately it isn't all the 3-4-5 piece files.  They add up to almost 8
>>gigs compressed, which won't come close to fitting on 10 CDs...
>
>All the TB - the 6 piece ones from your site come to 7.05 gigs (7,580,368,539
>bytes).  This is all the 5 piece ones correct?  Or perhaps I missed a few...


the 7.5 gigs is right...

which won't fit on 10 cd rom disks...



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