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Subject: Re: How does Crafty handle draws?

Author: Jeremiah Penery

Date: 14:10:38 04/11/00

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On April 11, 2000 at 09:37:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 11, 2000 at 03:33:46, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>On April 10, 2000 at 15:54:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On April 10, 2000 at 11:01:43, Colin Frayn wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was just wondering how Crafty handles draws in its evaluation routine.  I've
>>>>been playing several 10 minute blitz games (10 min/side) between Crafty and
>>>>ColChess and I managed to win the following two games, though I noticed that
>>>>near the end Crafty was often giving the position as drawn to many ply (like 20
>>>>or more) as it thought it could draw by repetition when behind.  ColChess plays
>>>>along a few times, then realises what's about to happen and plays something
>>>>else, whereby Crafty's analysis goes very negative again.
>>>>
>>>>Surely Crafty must know that ColChess will try to avoid a draw when ahead?
>>>>
>>>>Also, does Crafty have a contempt setting? I would have resigned both of these
>>>>games a lot earlier :)
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Col
>>>
>>>The only thing that will cause the above is drastic differences in the
>>>evaluation.  Crafty thinks that the opponent will either repeat or get a worse
>>>position...  so it assumes it will repeat.
>>
>>I think he means after his program has repeated the position twice already.  In
>>this case, Crafty will think it's a draw anyway, then it could play an inferior
>>repeating move instead of trying to improve the position.
>
>
>No.. the latest version(s) don't do this.  I too John's idea of not counting
>2-fold repeats as draws in the first 2 plies of searching, so that it won't
>do what you suggest.  If the current version (.10 or .11) says draw, it is
>_really_ a draw if the draw occurs within 2 plies...

Of course, that's assuming he's using the very latest version. :)



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