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Subject: Re: Programs are already better than we give them credit for, IMO

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 02:03:21 04/12/00

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On April 11, 2000 at 12:53:36, Pete R. wrote:

>On April 10, 2000 at 20:01:57, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>In tournament time control it will take a least another 3 Years for a P.C. Chess
>>Software to be able to beat Kasparov in Tournament time control, only if by then
>>either Intel or AMD organize an interesting Chess match which will encourage
>>Kasparov to play against the best P.C. Chess Software then. I strongly believe
>>that at least it will take a Dual 3 Ghz SMP To beat Kasparov.
>
>I am quite sure that Kasparov has been "beaten" many times by his laptop,
>whether it's running Fritz or Hiarcs or Junior.  That is, he tried a move he
>thought was good, and the program refuted it handily.  That's the normal process
>of working out lines and novelties with the computer, which he does a great
>deal.  We already know that computers are superior at G/25 and similar controls.
>My hypothesis is that the only way top humans can beat computers at tournament
>time control now is that they know they are playing a computer, and so they play
>to the unique weaknesses of the programs and avoid their strengths.  If the top
>players thought they were playing humans, I believe they would get crushed more
>often then not, and therefore the computers would have the higher ratings.  I
>work through the top players' games all the time with computers, and they make
>mistakes that a program would punish mercilessly.  I can't prove this hypothesis
>since the required test scenario (fooling human GMs into thinking they are
>playing other human GMs) would likely piss them off. ;)  In any case I believe
>the computers would prove they are already superior at tournament controls under
>such conditions, and top players currently beat them only by playing very
>conservatively and attempting to address their known weaknesses.

Agreed fully. I've spent alot of time doing the same myself. Humans are
certainly much greater in insight, but their games are full of cheap holes
even at the highest levels, and computers are the ones to exploit the fact.
  But how about Kasparov unaided, but in correspondence against a world-beater
program? I beleive Kasparov still knows what to do against all computerized
opposition including of course Deeper Blue. It may not be easy, But he could
win or draw every game.
S.Taylor



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