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Subject: Re: What rating has a compterprogram 2010?

Author: blass uri

Date: 05:40:55 04/12/00

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On April 11, 2000 at 05:12:28, David Blackman wrote:

>On April 11, 2000 at 00:44:34, Georg Langrath wrote:
>
>>1n 1980 a compterprogram had about 1300 ELO-ratimg.
>
>Chess 4.7 was probably around 2000 rating before 1980. 1300 might be about right
>for the best microcomputer programs in 1980. (That's 1300 by 1980 standards. I
>think the average 1000 player today should beat any microcomputer program from
>1980).

There are no 1000 players in Israel because the minimal rating is 1300

I remember programs like sargonII(I think it was available near 1980)
and my impression is that it can win easily the 1000 personalities of
chessmaster6000.

I guess the best programs of 1980 could have rating of something like 1600-1700

I do not understand why do you assume that players with rating of 1000 are today
better than they were in 1980.


>
>>1990 2000 ELo-rating.
>
>I think Deep Thought existed and was starting to get good around 1990. Probably
>2300 or better. The best microcomputers were probably still a little below 2000,
>but they improved a lot soon after this.

again I disagree

The best programs of 1990 had probably 2300 rating.
one of them(mephisto of richard lang if I remember right) won deep thought in a
game.


>
>>2000 about 2700 Elo-rating.
>
>The best microcomputers now are probably not quite that good. Deep Blue and the
>best supercomputer programs seem to be retired. The best programs still playing
>now seem to be somewhere in the range 2400 to 2700. No one is sure exactly what
>rating.

Here I agree.
>
>>700 more every 10 years. Somebody that has the courage to
>>guess where Elorating is 2010? It will be easy to control
>>if this message-group is still left. Yes I guess 700 Eloratings
>>more, and that nobody but machines can win over them then,
>>I think this will depend most on faster hardware.
>>
>>Georg
>
>Hardware improvements on their own should be enough to get computers to between
>2800 and 3200 by 2010.

I disagree.
I do not think that top programs can get a rating of 2800 against humans by
being 1000 times faster.

 However i expect software improvements to be even more
>important, resulting in computers stronger than 3500 by then.

I again disagree.
I doubt if it is possible to get 3500 rating in chess(there is a maximal rating
that it is possible to get).

Uri



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