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Subject: Re: Shredder in the SSDF list

Author: blass uri

Date: 14:21:26 04/13/00

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On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in
>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc.
>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups
>>is a successful marketing strategy.  I can only shake my head.
>
>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base
>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer
>device.
>
>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition.
>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated
>machines)
>test by hand, nobody would complain.
>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device.
>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use.
>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant.
>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results
>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the
>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement
>of all programmer paricipating in the list.
>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers.
>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly
>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish
>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things
>are different in US.
>
>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product.
>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my
>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer.
>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way
>of an "independant organisation".

Printing games and results of games is not printing lies.
If the autoplayer of chessbase help chessbase then it is important to prove it
but I saw no proof for it.
The fact that you get different results may be because you do not use the same
hardware and is not a proof that the autoplayer of chessbase helps chessbase.

The ssdf guys tested shredder4 and sent all the games with logfiles to the
programmer and stefan found no problem with the results.
shredder4 is probably number 3 after Fritz and Junior.

Stefan has no problem with printing the games and the results of shredder4 but
the ssdf do not want to give information about shredder if they have not the
right to print information about other programs of the millenium.

Uri



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