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Subject: Re: Shredder in the SSDF list

Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Date: 03:01:30 04/14/00

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On April 13, 2000 at 17:21:26, blass uri wrote:

>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>
>>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in
>>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc.
>>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups
>>>is a successful marketing strategy.  I can only shake my head.
>>
>>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base
>>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer
>>device.
>>
>>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition.
>>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated
>>machines)
>>test by hand, nobody would complain.
>>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device.
>>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use.
>>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant.
>>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results
>>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the
>>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement
>>of all programmer paricipating in the list.
>>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers.
>>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly
>>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish
>>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things
>>are different in US.
>>
>>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product.
>>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my
>>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer.
>>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way
>>of an "independant organisation".
>
>Printing games and results of games is not printing lies.
>If the autoplayer of chessbase help chessbase then it is important to prove it
>but I saw no proof for it.
>The fact that you get different results may be because you do not use the same
>hardware and is not a proof that the autoplayer of chessbase helps chessbase.
>
>The ssdf guys tested shredder4 and sent all the games with logfiles to the
>programmer and stefan found no problem with the results.
>shredder4 is probably number 3 after Fritz and Junior.
>
>Stefan has no problem with printing the games and the results of shredder4 but
>the ssdf do not want to give information about shredder if they have not the
>right to print information about other programs of the millenium.
>
>Uri

I didn't get any log file.
Stefan



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