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Subject: Re: Shredder in the SSDF list

Author: Bertil Eklund

Date: 06:39:16 04/14/00

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On April 14, 2000 at 06:01:30, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:

>On April 13, 2000 at 17:21:26, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>
>>>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in
>>>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc.
>>>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups
>>>>is a successful marketing strategy.  I can only shake my head.
>>>
>>>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base
>>>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer
>>>device.
>>>
>>>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition.
>>>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated
>>>machines)
>>>test by hand, nobody would complain.
>>>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device.
>>>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use.
>>>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant.
>>>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results
>>>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the
>>>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement
>>>of all programmer paricipating in the list.
>>>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers.
>>>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly
>>>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish
>>>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things
>>>are different in US.
>>>
>>>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product.
>>>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my
>>>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer.
>>>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way
>>>of an "independant organisation".
>>
>>Printing games and results of games is not printing lies.
>>If the autoplayer of chessbase help chessbase then it is important to prove it
>>but I saw no proof for it.
>>The fact that you get different results may be because you do not use the same
>>hardware and is not a proof that the autoplayer of chessbase helps chessbase.
>>
>>The ssdf guys tested shredder4 and sent all the games with logfiles to the
>>programmer and stefan found no problem with the results.
>>shredder4 is probably number 3 after Fritz and Junior.
>>
>>Stefan has no problem with printing the games and the results of shredder4 but
>>the ssdf do not want to give information about shredder if they have not the
>>right to print information about other programs of the millenium.
>>
>>Uri
>
>I didn't get any log file.
>Stefan
Hi!

You received the games in both pgn and cbv-format. Have you found anything
strange in the games?

Bertil



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