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Subject: Re: Shredder in the SSDF list

Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Date: 07:57:27 04/14/00

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On April 14, 2000 at 09:39:16, Bertil Eklund wrote:

>On April 14, 2000 at 06:01:30, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>
>>On April 13, 2000 at 17:21:26, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in
>>>>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc.
>>>>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups
>>>>>is a successful marketing strategy.  I can only shake my head.
>>>>
>>>>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base
>>>>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer
>>>>device.
>>>>
>>>>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition.
>>>>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated
>>>>machines)
>>>>test by hand, nobody would complain.
>>>>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device.
>>>>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use.
>>>>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant.
>>>>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results
>>>>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the
>>>>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement
>>>>of all programmer paricipating in the list.
>>>>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers.
>>>>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly
>>>>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish
>>>>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things
>>>>are different in US.
>>>>
>>>>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product.
>>>>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my
>>>>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer.
>>>>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way
>>>>of an "independant organisation".
>>>
>>>Printing games and results of games is not printing lies.
>>>If the autoplayer of chessbase help chessbase then it is important to prove it
>>>but I saw no proof for it.
>>>The fact that you get different results may be because you do not use the same
>>>hardware and is not a proof that the autoplayer of chessbase helps chessbase.
>>>
>>>The ssdf guys tested shredder4 and sent all the games with logfiles to the
>>>programmer and stefan found no problem with the results.
>>>shredder4 is probably number 3 after Fritz and Junior.
>>>
>>>Stefan has no problem with printing the games and the results of shredder4 but
>>>the ssdf do not want to give information about shredder if they have not the
>>>right to print information about other programs of the millenium.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I didn't get any log file.
>>Stefan
>Hi!
>
>You received the games in both pgn and cbv-format. Have you found anything
>strange in the games?
>
>Bertil

Yes, I have received about 75 games of Shredder but haven't checked them yet.
Some programs really have improved during the last months so I am busy working
on Shredder. This is my main target right now, if I have some time left I'll
check the games but I don't expect any problems.

I give you a recent example of some autoplayer problems. This is part of an
email I wrote today. I didn't want to publish it first but it might help here.

"You know about the autoplayer and all of its weaknesses, just this morning I
had a strange behaviour again. I was playing vs. X when X send the save game
command to Shredder 3 times in a row. The result was that Shredder saved the
last game 3 times and adjusted the display of the match result according to
that. Well, Shredder won, so he got 3 points instead of 1 for the game :-) If
you don't look very carefully at all the games played with the autoplayer you
can get all sorts of wrong results."

End of quote.
I have just changed the name of the program involved as I don't want to blame
anybody.

Stefan






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