Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 07:57:27 04/14/00
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On April 14, 2000 at 09:39:16, Bertil Eklund wrote: >On April 14, 2000 at 06:01:30, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >>On April 13, 2000 at 17:21:26, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>> >>>>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>>>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in >>>>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc. >>>>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups >>>>>is a successful marketing strategy. I can only shake my head. >>>> >>>>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base >>>>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer >>>>device. >>>> >>>>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition. >>>>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated >>>>machines) >>>>test by hand, nobody would complain. >>>>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device. >>>>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use. >>>>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant. >>>>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results >>>>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the >>>>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement >>>>of all programmer paricipating in the list. >>>>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers. >>>>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly >>>>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish >>>>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things >>>>are different in US. >>>> >>>>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product. >>>>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my >>>>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer. >>>>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way >>>>of an "independant organisation". >>> >>>Printing games and results of games is not printing lies. >>>If the autoplayer of chessbase help chessbase then it is important to prove it >>>but I saw no proof for it. >>>The fact that you get different results may be because you do not use the same >>>hardware and is not a proof that the autoplayer of chessbase helps chessbase. >>> >>>The ssdf guys tested shredder4 and sent all the games with logfiles to the >>>programmer and stefan found no problem with the results. >>>shredder4 is probably number 3 after Fritz and Junior. >>> >>>Stefan has no problem with printing the games and the results of shredder4 but >>>the ssdf do not want to give information about shredder if they have not the >>>right to print information about other programs of the millenium. >>> >>>Uri >> >>I didn't get any log file. >>Stefan >Hi! > >You received the games in both pgn and cbv-format. Have you found anything >strange in the games? > >Bertil Yes, I have received about 75 games of Shredder but haven't checked them yet. Some programs really have improved during the last months so I am busy working on Shredder. This is my main target right now, if I have some time left I'll check the games but I don't expect any problems. I give you a recent example of some autoplayer problems. This is part of an email I wrote today. I didn't want to publish it first but it might help here. "You know about the autoplayer and all of its weaknesses, just this morning I had a strange behaviour again. I was playing vs. X when X send the save game command to Shredder 3 times in a row. The result was that Shredder saved the last game 3 times and adjusted the display of the match result according to that. Well, Shredder won, so he got 3 points instead of 1 for the game :-) If you don't look very carefully at all the games played with the autoplayer you can get all sorts of wrong results." End of quote. I have just changed the name of the program involved as I don't want to blame anybody. Stefan
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