Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 08:01:34 04/14/00
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On April 14, 2000 at 10:42:12, blass uri wrote: >On April 14, 2000 at 09:50:19, Bertil Eklund wrote: > >>On April 14, 2000 at 07:51:51, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2000 at 06:01:30, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>> >>>>On April 13, 2000 at 17:21:26, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>>>>>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in >>>>>>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc. >>>>>>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups >>>>>>>is a successful marketing strategy. I can only shake my head. >>>>>> >>>>>>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base >>>>>>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer >>>>>>device. >>>>>> >>>>>>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition. >>>>>>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated >>>>>>machines) >>>>>>test by hand, nobody would complain. >>>>>>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device. >>>>>>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use. >>>>>>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant. >>>>>>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results >>>>>>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the >>>>>>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement >>>>>>of all programmer paricipating in the list. >>>>>>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers. >>>>>>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly >>>>>>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish >>>>>>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things >>>>>>are different in US. >>>>>> >>>>>>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product. >>>>>>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my >>>>>>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer. >>>>>>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way >>>>>>of an "independant organisation". >>>>> >>>>>Printing games and results of games is not printing lies. >>>>>If the autoplayer of chessbase help chessbase then it is important to prove it >>>>>but I saw no proof for it. >>>>>The fact that you get different results may be because you do not use the same >>>>>hardware and is not a proof that the autoplayer of chessbase helps chessbase. >>>>> >>>>>The ssdf guys tested shredder4 and sent all the games with logfiles to the >>>>>programmer and stefan found no problem with the results. >>>>>shredder4 is probably number 3 after Fritz and Junior. >>>>> >>>>>Stefan has no problem with printing the games and the results of shredder4 but >>>>>the ssdf do not want to give information about shredder if they have not the >>>>>right to print information about other programs of the millenium. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>I didn't get any log file. >>>>Stefan >>> >>>I apologize. >>>I believed another person about it but I guess that you know better than him. >>> >>>Uri >>Hi! >> >>If I have the the time later this evening (from my home) I can send you some of >>the games with the same included log files that we have sent to Stefan. >> >>As I know you are the "master-checker" I guess you can find if there is anything >>dubious in the games. >> >>Bertil > >It is possible that there is a misunderstanding about the meaning of the word >logfiles. >The important thing is if stefan could check the games and not if you sent him >the logfiles. > >I am interested to see the games but I have not shredder4 so I cannot check if >there are moves that shredder4 cannot reproduce. > >Uri Uri is right, I guess it is a misunderstanding, we have a different meaning for the word "log file". I got about 75 games with Shredder's score and search depth as comments to each move. I didn't get the log file that Shredder can produce optionally. Please note that this is not a complain about that fact, it is just to clear the misunderstanding. Stefan
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