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Subject: Re: Shredder in the SSDF list

Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Date: 08:01:34 04/14/00

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On April 14, 2000 at 10:42:12, blass uri wrote:

>On April 14, 2000 at 09:50:19, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>
>>On April 14, 2000 at 07:51:51, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On April 14, 2000 at 06:01:30, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 13, 2000 at 17:21:26, blass uri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>>>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in
>>>>>>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc.
>>>>>>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups
>>>>>>>is a successful marketing strategy.  I can only shake my head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base
>>>>>>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer
>>>>>>device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition.
>>>>>>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated
>>>>>>machines)
>>>>>>test by hand, nobody would complain.
>>>>>>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device.
>>>>>>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use.
>>>>>>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant.
>>>>>>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results
>>>>>>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the
>>>>>>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement
>>>>>>of all programmer paricipating in the list.
>>>>>>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers.
>>>>>>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly
>>>>>>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish
>>>>>>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things
>>>>>>are different in US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product.
>>>>>>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my
>>>>>>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer.
>>>>>>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way
>>>>>>of an "independant organisation".
>>>>>
>>>>>Printing games and results of games is not printing lies.
>>>>>If the autoplayer of chessbase help chessbase then it is important to prove it
>>>>>but I saw no proof for it.
>>>>>The fact that you get different results may be because you do not use the same
>>>>>hardware and is not a proof that the autoplayer of chessbase helps chessbase.
>>>>>
>>>>>The ssdf guys tested shredder4 and sent all the games with logfiles to the
>>>>>programmer and stefan found no problem with the results.
>>>>>shredder4 is probably number 3 after Fritz and Junior.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stefan has no problem with printing the games and the results of shredder4 but
>>>>>the ssdf do not want to give information about shredder if they have not the
>>>>>right to print information about other programs of the millenium.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>I didn't get any log file.
>>>>Stefan
>>>
>>>I apologize.
>>>I believed another person about it but I guess that you know better than him.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>Hi!
>>
>>If I have the the time later this evening (from my home) I can send you some of
>>the games with the same included log files that we have sent to Stefan.
>>
>>As I know you are the "master-checker" I guess you can find if there is anything
>>dubious in the games.
>>
>>Bertil
>
>It is possible that there is a misunderstanding about the meaning of the word
>logfiles.
>The important thing is if stefan could check the games and not if you sent him
>the logfiles.
>
>I am interested to see the games but I have not shredder4 so I cannot check if
>there are moves that shredder4 cannot reproduce.
>
>Uri

Uri is right, I guess it is a misunderstanding, we have a different meaning for
the word "log file".

I got about 75 games with Shredder's score and search depth as comments to each
move. I didn't get the log file that Shredder can produce optionally. Please
note that this is not a complain about that fact, it is just to clear the
misunderstanding.

Stefan





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