Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 10:52:14 10/12/97
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>Posted by Chris Whittington on October 12, 1997 at 11:48:05: >In Reply to: Re: I had a dream ! posted by Thorsten Czub on October 12, 1997 >at 11:14:26: >On October 12, 1997 at 11:14:26, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>But what is the sense of an organisation that is not helping 2 of the >>best programs to participate ?? >>I mean: what is the job of the ICCA ? >>Stopping or disorganising a tournament ?? >>Maybe they WANT tournaments WITHOUT the top programs. >>I don't know. >>But I know that Hiarcs wants to participate >>and Mchess wants to participate. >>For hiarcs was always space. For Mchess we have now space. >>Marty cannot pay. Mark could pay. >>But instead to let them in, they argue about 1000 $ with Marty and about >>status as emerge-pro or professional with Mark. >>I always thought the german-burocrats are first rank of europe. >>But it looks even the german burocracy can be topped. >You're asking questions that contain unsound assumptions. Like "why does >the icca organise a tournament where two 'top' program entries founder >on the $1000 issue , this doesn't make sense ? " >No, it doesn't make sense if you assume their goals are the same as >yours. Namely a tournament of all programs etc. etc. etc. >I think their goals are other than these. And, looked at this way, >without assuming that the icca is somehow 'for' computer chess - you can >begin to analyse what their goals might be. >I think the ability to provide all these programs and programmers into a >tournament hall for one week has some sort of, ultimately, financial >value. In other words, they are selling us to somebody, for something. >There has to be some spin-off somewhere. Some benefit in another field, >something. Just like TV companies 'sell' their audience to advertisers. >You don't know you are being sold, you don't know that they own you. But >they do. For this time you're watching the TV program or attending the >tournament, they do. >Something that means it doesn't matter if they upset a few programmers, >because there are always more. Something that says it doesn't really >matter which programs attend, just as long as they can provide the >numbers. >I've been going to these championships for a long time. And, what has >always shocked me is, that if you're not one of some select clique; they >treat you with a cavalier disregard that borders on rudeness. This, and >other examples, is not the behaviour of an organising group that is >interested in computer chess. For sure, from my own direct experience, >they are interested in something else. ICCA should stop asking programmers money. Problem solved... >Said it before, and will say it again: these icca organisers should >resign; others can and would do their jobs. There aren't others.... - Ed - >Chris Whittington
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