Author: Jason Williamson
Date: 20:27:19 04/15/00
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On April 15, 2000 at 22:24:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 15, 2000 at 18:28:48, Marcos Christensen wrote: > >>On April 15, 2000 at 17:58:01, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 15, 2000 at 17:14:56, Borges wrote: >>> >>>>On April 15, 2000 at 16:18:04, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 15:56:18, Borges wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 12:44:40, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> Hi Christophe! >>>>>> I ran an account in ICC, and was able to get more than 3000 points, with no >>>>>>special hardware. The interesting is that it rans with default settings. It >>>>>>appers no coincidence that when i put NSEW=1 and MoreSel=1 tiger became weak >>>>>>(IMHO). The hashtable I have to set up with 32M in 3 0 games and 64M in 5 0 >>>>>>games, less than this will result in odd endgames, when tiger sometimes put away >>>>>>a victory. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You should really check this carefully. Using 32Mb in 3 0 games kills the >>>>>playing strength, I'm sure about this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>> Actually I prefer to play with 3 0 time controls, I think that the best >>>>evaluation of Chess Tiger makes the difference. It (or he) appears to smokes >>>>everybody. The contempt value, that is useful, to clean a closed position set to >>>>-15 or -20 is helpful. The only colateral effect of this is probably being >>>>noplayed by crafty ;-) But a BOOK editor will make difference. >>>> Congratulation for your program, probably better than you think (intended to >>>>be a joke). >>>> Borges >>>> >>> >>>The only way to get noplayed by crafty is to not read the finger notes. If >>>you can read, you can play it. Feel free. If you can't read, then you will >>>likely get noplayed. >>> >>>But it will have _nothing_ to do with your contempt factor or whatever... >> >> My grandmother used to say: if you cannot stand the heat get out of the >>kitchen, or, write fi notes. At least singacrafty and data are less greedy about >>rating points. >> >> Best wishes >> Borges > > >My grandfather used to say "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool >than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." My finger notes are quite >clear. It is not my intention to play nothing but games vs a single program. >With the manual programs, this has never been a problem, as the operators need >a break after a few games. But since Tiger is automatic, it became a problem >in that all I would see was games vs tiger. That doesn't help me detect or >fix problems, and since I am writing this program, I reserve the right to test >it however I want to get maximum benefit from the testing. I'd _much_ rather >play 100 games vs GM players (as it has the past few days) vs 100 games against >a single chess program. If I thought _that_ was important I would simply buy a >copy of tiger and play the games offline rather than on a server. > >My opinion, my choice. I don't see why a "non-author" would want to take pot >shots at what _I_ want to do. In any case, I am old enough to do what I want, >when I want, how I want... It baffles me how people can complain about anything. I mean, it is your right to determine how you want to set up your account. I mean, not only is it your account, you wrote the damn program. If you wanted it to play only humans everyday and take sundays off to play with its self, then that would be your right. But I think like suckers, there are idiots born every minute too, and the people that complain and accuse people of being greedy about rating points are, well, quite idiotic. Bob's crafty won't be getting invites to Linares because of his 3100 rating. I doubt Kasparov will be lining up to play a world championship match due to it (too bad! :)))) ) and sitting on top of the ICC rating list won't make extra sales for the engine since it is free. So, pray tell, what point would there be of being greedy? Before Rebel Tiger came out, Dr. Hyatt was quite flexible about which computer would play it, as long as its not a crafty, now that you have all these 2400,2500 type comp accounts playing with this new automated strong engine, you have a rather narrow formula. Lastly, personally I can not understand why (and this doesn't apply to you possibly) some owner of commercial engines would take enjoyment of playing 14 games in a row against an engine (winning 12) and taking these rating points. Who are the greedy people in this instance. Jason PS My above statements are not directed at the engine but rather some of the people who use it online and act like twits.
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