Author: Jason Williamson
Date: 01:33:18 04/16/00
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On April 15, 2000 at 23:22:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 15, 2000 at 13:59:26, Tony Hedlund wrote: > >>On April 14, 2000 at 12:54:59, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >> >>>On April 14, 2000 at 12:46:43, Bertil Eklund wrote: >>> >>>>On April 14, 2000 at 10:57:27, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>> >>>>>Yes, I have received about 75 games of Shredder but haven't checked them yet. >>>>>Some programs really have improved during the last months so I am busy working >>>>>on Shredder. This is my main target right now, if I have some time left I'll >>>>>check the games but I don't expect any problems. >>>>> >>>>>I give you a recent example of some autoplayer problems. This is part of an >>>>>email I wrote today. I didn't want to publish it first but it might help here. >>>>> >>>>>"You know about the autoplayer and all of its weaknesses, just this morning I >>>>>had a strange behaviour again. I was playing vs. X when X send the save game >>>>>command to Shredder 3 times in a row. The result was that Shredder saved the >>>>>last game 3 times and adjusted the display of the match result according to >>>>>that. Well, Shredder won, so he got 3 points instead of 1 for the game :-) If >>>>>you don't look very carefully at all the games played with the autoplayer you >>>>>can get all sorts of wrong results." >>>> >>>>Hi! >>>> >>>>As I have told you and mr Weiner several times, we partly follows most games and >>>>check the results of every game. In example Tony Hedlund is a very good player >>>>and played in the last Swedish correspondence Championship, Bo Aurell another >>>>tester played in the Swedish Championship in the sixties and I think they can >>>>see if there are any anomalies. I don't know what persons that test your >>>>programs, are they only reporting the scorenumbers? I have now played 122 >>>>tournament games with S4 with only two stops, one game where Hiarcs stopped >>>>within the opening book and one game where S4 played only one move (1.d4) and >>>>saved the game as a win for itself, Nimzo saved it as an unexpected end. >>>> >>>>So far I can't see what the problem is. S4 has won against Hiarcs and Nimzo and >>>>looks to crush Tiger (my games). Only one bad loss against F6 a program that >>>>many people believe is the best for the moment. >>>> >>>>If we had been allowed to test S4 when it was new it had probably been number >>>>one for some time. I believe S4 belongs in the group of Junior6 and Tiger that >>>>fights for the second place. It looks like Fritz6a have made a big step forward >>>>and I believe it is the best program for the moment. >>>> >>>>I also think that we have been fair against S4 allowing it to use the Turbo-cds, >>>>that seems to be much more efficient than the original Thomson-CDs. >>>> >>>>Bertil >>>> >>>>>End of quote. >>>>>I have just changed the name of the program involved as I don't want to blame >>>>>anybody. >>>>> >>>>>Stefan >>> >>>I didn't complain that you have treated Shredder unfair and also don't think so. >>>For me there is no problem. Also I didn't say storys like the one above happen >>>at the ssdf. I just wanted to point out that there is so much that can go wrong >>>using the autoplayer. >>> >>>Stefan >> >>I must disagree on this. I've played thousands of games with the autoplayer, and >>I would say that it's very, very little that goes wrong with it. >> >>Tony > > >I disagree with your disagreement. :) > >_Any_ piece of software that is dependent on timing delays and such is a piece >of trash. It turns the interface into a synchronous operation when it should >work asynchronously. trash for an interface. Compare it to the winboard >interface that has _no_ timing issues between an engine and the interface... >No way to lose a message, get multiple copies of the message, etc... > >maybe I insulted the trash of the world, when I think about it. :) hmm one gets the impression that Bob isn't very fond of autoplayer ;)))
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