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Subject: Re: Baseless accusations

Author: blass uri

Date: 04:41:37 04/17/00

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On April 17, 2000 at 07:35:45, blass uri wrote:

>On April 17, 2000 at 06:40:33, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:
>
>>On April 16, 2000 at 16:25:06, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 2000 at 21:09:45, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in
>>>>>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc.
>>>>>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups
>>>>>>is a successful marketing strategy.  I can only shake my head.
>>>>>
>>>>>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base
>>>>>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer
>>>>>device.
>>>>
>>>>As far as I can tell, the competition is fair.
>>>>
>>>>>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition.
>>>>>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated
>>>>>machines)
>>>>>test by hand, nobody would complain.
>>>>>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device.
>>>>>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use.
>>>>>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant.
>>>>>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results
>>>>>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the
>>>>>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement
>>>>>of all programmer paricipating in the list.
>>>>
>>>>Please list the names of chess program software developers who have programs on
>>>>the SSDF list but do not trust ChessBase's autoplayer in particular.
>>>>
>>>>>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers.
>>>>>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly
>>>>>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish
>>>>>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things
>>>>>are different in US.
>>>>>
>>>>>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product.
>>>>>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my
>>>>>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer.
>>>>>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way
>>>>>of an "independant organisation".
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>You've accused Chessbase's autoplayer of distorting results in the past -- even
>>>>as long as two years ago -- and while you didn't post on that topic for a while,
>>>>it looks like you've jumped on that bandwagon again.  Why don't you reply to
>>>>this message, and flat-out accuse ChessBase of writing autoplayer software that
>>>>fraudulently gives programs that are distributed by them an advantage?  I can
>>>>only hope that they might then sue you for defamation, because then you might
>>>>learn from that experience that you should be more responsible about what you
>>>>say, and that you should either have actual facts to back up such a serious
>>>>allegation of mispropriety or not make it in the first place.
>>>>
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Read the excellent letters from Djordje and Enrique (in english)
>>>in Computerschach-forum
>>>
>>>http://www.computerschach.de/forum/index.html
>>>
>>>Bertil
>>
>>I am very sorry that this discussion was taken to another, unmoderated forum. I
>>got attacked in those postings and I don't quite understand why they were not
>>posted here.
>
>They were deleted exactly for this reason.
>insults are not allowed here and you did nothing wrong.
>
>
>>
>>I am also very sorry that the authors of those postings apparently didn't get my
>>point of view and I am afraid that there is not much I can do about it.
>>
>>Stefan
>
>I do not support law suites threats but
>I agree with the point of view of stefan.

I do not say that stefan supports law suite threats but shredder was connected
with law suite threats that I do not like and the millenium who sell shredder
still forbid publishing rating of other chess programs).


>
>The main problem with the ssdf is that not all the games are public and it is
>impossible to know if they are mistakes in the not public games.
>
>
>I prefer to see also list based only on public games
>The statistical error will be bigger but I can trust more the results when all
>the games are public and I believe that other errors (not only because of
>autoplayer are going to be smaller).
>
>I remember a case when Junior5(p200) was slowed down by a factor of 3 in some
>games against Rebel8(p90) because the tester ran another program in the same
>time.
>
>I told the tester about the problem and he had to repeat 4 games.
>If the games are not public it is impossible to find these errors.
>
>I do not know the size of error because of mistakes
>It is possible that it is small but you cannot blame people for not trusting it
>when they have no possibility to check it.
>
>I do not understand what is the problem of the ssdf to do all the new games
>public.
>
>Can someone from the ssdf explain what is the problem?
>I think it is easy to send a pgn file of the games after playing.
>
>
>Uri



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