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Subject: Moderation: Re: Baseless accusations

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 05:09:46 04/17/00

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On April 17, 2000 at 06:40:33, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote:

>On April 16, 2000 at 16:25:06, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2000 at 21:09:45, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>
>>>On April 13, 2000 at 13:37:13, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 12, 2000 at 21:56:06, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>>I suspect that Millennium GmbH would have an extremely tough time winning in
>>>>>court against the SSDF if they did publish results for Genuis 6.5, WChess, etc.
>>>>>Nonetheless, it appears that they feel that bullying independent citizen groups
>>>>>is a successful marketing strategy.  I can only shake my head.
>>>>
>>>>look : ssdf published results that are not played out on the base
>>>>of a fair competition. the results have been influenced by the autoplayer
>>>>device.
>>>
>>>As far as I can tell, the competition is fair.
>>>
>>>>millennium company has nothing against a fair competition.
>>>>if the ssdf e.g. would (as they have done over the years with the dedicated
>>>>machines)
>>>>test by hand, nobody would complain.
>>>>but they use the chessbase autoplayer device.
>>>>the results of this device differ from the device other companies use.
>>>>therefore the results are somehow irrelevant.
>>>>but the ssdf do nowhere print in their publications that their results
>>>>have been "arranged" or "generated" with the
>>>>chessbase autoplayer device which is not generally trusted by agreement
>>>>of all programmer paricipating in the list.
>>>
>>>Please list the names of chess program software developers who have programs on
>>>the SSDF list but do not trust ChessBase's autoplayer in particular.
>>>
>>>>they do only publish numbers. stupid numbers.
>>>>i see no other way for millennium company to forbid to publish those silly
>>>>data, than threatening them. licence agreements in europe do count for swedish
>>>>people to. you can believe me. it might be different in US, but many things
>>>>are different in US.
>>>>
>>>>i would do exactly the same if it would be my product.
>>>>if somebody would publish lies about my girl-friend or lies about my
>>>>friends, he would get also similar kind of answer.
>>>>printing lies is not a fair way of competition and not a fair way
>>>>of an "independant organisation".
>>>>
>>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>You've accused Chessbase's autoplayer of distorting results in the past -- even
>>>as long as two years ago -- and while you didn't post on that topic for a while,
>>>it looks like you've jumped on that bandwagon again.  Why don't you reply to
>>>this message, and flat-out accuse ChessBase of writing autoplayer software that
>>>fraudulently gives programs that are distributed by them an advantage?  I can
>>>only hope that they might then sue you for defamation, because then you might
>>>learn from that experience that you should be more responsible about what you
>>>say, and that you should either have actual facts to back up such a serious
>>>allegation of mispropriety or not make it in the first place.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>Hi!
>>
>>Read the excellent letters from Djordje and Enrique (in english)
>>in Computerschach-forum
>>
>>http://www.computerschach.de/forum/index.html
>>
>>Bertil
>
>I am very sorry that this discussion was taken to another, unmoderated forum. I
>got attacked in those postings and I don't quite understand why they were not
>posted here.
>

One of these messages was posted here last night and I deleted it this morning,
as it contained an insult. I assume that the insult was not intended, but was a
case of unfamiliarity with an English expression. I invited the author to
rephrase it and post it here again, but I don't know whether he will or not.

>I am also very sorry that the authors of those postings apparently didn't get my
>point of view and I am afraid that there is not much I can do about it.
>
>Stefan


Andrew Williams
CCC Moderator



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