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Subject: Re: Just found a new Setting for CM6000, much stronger than CM8888 !?

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 08:13:54 04/17/00

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On April 17, 2000 at 09:52:02, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On April 15, 2000 at 23:05:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2000 at 12:18:39, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 2000 at 12:00:48, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 11:30:02, James wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 09:18:28, blass uri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 08:30:42, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So far this has been the best Setting for CM6666, which sometimes even beat
>>>>>>>Fritz 6a.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                   Setting for CM6666
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Style          Positional            Material
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>AD   3         M/P  -3               OQ   9.9
>>>>>>>SOP  100       COC 103               OQ   9.7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>R    0         MOB 104               OR   5.0
>>>>>>>MSD  20        KS  134               OR   5.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SS   10        PP  100               OB   3.3
>>>>>>>CFD  0.0       PW  134               OB   3.3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TT = ON                              OK   3.2
>>>>>>>DT = ON                              OK   3.2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                     OP   1.0
>>>>>>>                                     OP   1.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>By mixing the original Anand Setting with the Material setting from CM6666,  I
>>>>>>>finally discovered a much stronger setting, which just won a mini match of 50
>>>>>>>games in 15 minutes per side, using an AMD K6 II 500 Mhz with 128 MB of RAM.
>>>>>>>When I matched CM6666 setting against my new CM8888, which I just renamed,
>>>>>>>CM8888 won
>>>>>>>38 out of 50 games.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              I Should call this setting  the CM-Queen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Style          Positional            Material
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>AD  5          M/P -5                OQ   9.5   (My new Adjustment)
>>>>>>>SOP 100        COC 105               OQ   9.4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>R   0          MOB 120               OR   5.0
>>>>>>>MSD 20         KS  100               OR   4.9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SS  8          PP  110               OB   3.2
>>>>>>>CFD 1.0        PW  100               OB   3.2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TT = ON                              OK   3.1
>>>>>>>DT = ON                              OK   3.1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                     OP   1.0
>>>>>>>                                     OP   1.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you already have CM6000, it is very easy to set up a new setting, Just click
>>>>>>>under Game and Click the set up a Personality, once you set the new values for
>>>>>>>your new Setting Don't forget to save it. If you are having hard time to set the
>>>>>>>new setting using your mouse and Bar , simply Click the bar and use your arrows
>>>>>>>key.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think that using different values for your queen(rook) and your opponent's
>>>>>>queen(rook) is a bad idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe it works against most programs because they have no idea how to play when
>>>>>>there are queens in the board(I see that programs without the name chessmaster
>>>>>>are often bean counters in queens endgames and do not understand the importance
>>>>>>of passed pawns in these endgames) but I do not believe that it is a good idea
>>>>>>against chessmaster personalities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not going to be a good idea against other programs when programs get
>>>>>>better so I suggest to stop suggesting not equal numbers for material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>I also own Fritz 6a and Junior 6a for more than a month, plus I own an AMD
>>>>ATHLON 800 Mhz, which I am planning to pit against my new setting of CM8888. I
>>>>do understand that traditionally the queen and the rook has a value of 9 and 5
>>>>points, but I  do not see the reason for saying that changing these values will
>>>>make a program play worst chess.
>>>
>>>I only said that using different value for white queen and black queen is not a
>>>good idea.
>>>
>>>I did not say that changing the queen value from 9 to another number is a bad
>>>idea but only that
>>>the values 9.9 9.7 are not logical and something like 9.8 for both queens seems
>>>more logical(it may help to beat other programs but I do not believe that it is
>>>a good idea against other chess master personalities or for the future when
>>>programs get better)
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I don't like 9.8 or any such number.  I have watched several programs play
>>crafty and get into a 3 piece vs queen where they have the queen and think
>>they are a pawn up.  Generally they are lost.
>
>You are definitively wright about this high queen value Mr Hyatt, I Just found
>out that CM8888 lost to CM6666 in game in 60 minutes per side where CM6666
>setting had two Bishops a knight and a pawn, Versus CM8888 setting which had a
>Queen and a pawn and at that time CM8888 thought that it was winning by a small
>fraction of a point. My solution was to change the value of the queen to 9.5,
>since the bishop is already set up to 3.2 and knight to 3.1. I started the same
>game before the critical exchange took place and observed the game carefully,
>sure enough the small evaluation problem was corrected, and the same game was
>won by CM8888, (or should I rename it CM-Queen Setting.)
>
>PS: The score at this point is CM8888 W3 L1 D1 at game in 60 minutes per side,
>CM6666 is loosing game number 6 so far, by having a bishop and two pawns Vs
>CM8888 a rook and 1 pawn and the bishop will soon have to be exchange to avoid
>the pawn from promoting into a queen next move. Ah Ha , I just glanced at the
>game and the exchange took place, leaving CM6666 with a lost position.



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