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Subject: Re: WMCCC

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 15:47:22 10/12/97

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On September 28, 1997 at 13:29:06, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On September 28, 1997 at 05:01:29, Chris Whittington wrote:
>>I didn't enter on time. I entered after the deadline, didn't query
>>amateur/professional status and offered my $1000 and 150 word CSTal
>>description on provisioal acceptance.
>>I was accepted without any problems or queries.
>Was this a sensible way to treat this?  Of course.  For one of the
>WMCCC's I think I applied a few days too late as well.  I didn't know
>what category I was in, so I just left that blank and described my
>situation, and they didn't balk about my lack of entry fee, either.
>They changed this policy retroactively.
>You are sitting there ordering entries (or maybe you haven't even
>started yet, in which case you just pretend the thing came in on time),
>and there are either not too many already, in which case you just go
>"tsk tsk" and add the entry, or there are too many already, so when you
>get the new one you say "damn" or local equivalent, but you still stick
>the new one in the stack where it goes, and the bottom one goes into the
>wait list, although you feel bad about this for a second, and probably
>put him on the top of the wait list at least.
>The above is the logical way to handle this, right?
>So now we have a case where the ICCA took someone they are alleged upon
>pretty good evidence to dislike, and made an accomodation.  No problem.
>But we have this other case where the ICCA took someone who, no offense
>Chris, has better credentials, has caused less trouble, didn't show up
>(for political reasons) last year but was very polite about it
>(according to Marsland), and even won the championship two years ago,
>and did not make an accomodation.
>So what else is going on here that we do not know about?  Are the
>situations really this similar?  Did they have your late application,
>and Marty's application, together, one in each hand, and decide to be
>nice to you and to screw over Marty?  I would think that anyone would
>have expected the opposite, if anything.

>All I have heard so far is rumor, I don't know if MChess applied two
>days late or two days after the entries were selected and/or announced
>(massively different situation), or seriously balked at the thousand
>bucks, or whatever.
>It's not time for recriminations, it's time to get more information.

I also it is time to explain something. Because i'm a participant
and i don't get it:

  - Kallisto's 2 manager De Leeuw forgot to send his entrance.
    So he was the last. Bye the way, did De Leeuw send in ANYTHING?
    Do you guys know that De Leeuw is the manager of Kallisto2?

  -  Mcpro was too late.

  - Chris was too late.

  - Only Ed Schroeder says to everyone that his program will never
    participate in these events.

  Now the way in which ICCA decided:

  Chris was admitted. Kallisto was last but placed first at the list,
  Mcpro may not join?

  I also think it strange that entry fee is so high. 1000 dollar is a
 of money. Don't they have a sponsor, if stock exchange sponsors
location, a computer company sponsors computers, then what is
so expensive?

Why must professionals pay more than amateurs anyway?
Is the absolute world microcomputer chess champion title worth more
if you are professional than if you are amateur?

Another thing a rule is not very clear: I don't understand the rules of
when 2 programs end up in the highest place. Rules says: the tournament
director decides whether there is time enough...  to play.

In other words if tournament directory says: sorry i didn't sleep well,
bad luck for you we don't play a tie. Or if tournament director thinks:
bad luck for you i know the other participant better and
Weerstandspunten (the sum of endscores from other opponents,
sorry i don't know the english word for it)  of my friend are better,
then no tie?

Tie rules should be clear. They are not. If you plan a tournament then
you know how much time is left. Will i know this before tournament


I hate entering this in explorer: my signature is not added too, so
find out yourself who wrote this.

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