Author: Ulrich Tuerke
Date: 01:49:06 10/13/97
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On October 12, 1997 at 19:48:32, Fernando Villegas wrote: >I am really amazed reading the post where ICCA executives are almost >accused of some kind of plot and/or trying to sell people to third >parties and/or trying to become rich just exploiting poor programmers , >and all this agressive noise just because they ask 1000 bucks to those >commercial programmers that want to be part of the party in Paris. >Is 1000 bucks so much money? >So badly goes things in this industry that commercial programmers -that >sell each of his products at 150 dollars- cannot pay $1000? > What I see here is that all the time there are many reasons for some >poeple for not going. Once is a political reason: Jakarta was not >adequate because of the people that rules that country. Then the >tournament is not fair because some people in the ICCA does not gives >the due salutations and reverences to this or that guy; now is money, >because, as anybody can see, with 1000 bucks in the pocket this people >could fly to Monaco and expend a week with an army of girls. >What's next? >I don't believe 1000 is too much money to get the chance to get a good >position and then to use it as advertising. Even if you cannoit get the >first prize, you always can say that your program got a point against >this or that other program, as Chris has made once with CST and Genius. >Or that your program got the fastest winning. Or that your program was >the best, provided his slow hardaware. Or that you won the prettiest >game of the tournament. Or this or that. I don't know any program that >ever has been in a tournament that has not got specious reasons to >proclaim that very same tournament as a wonderful motive to buy it. >So, if this kind of tournament becomes, as ever, a good launching >platform for almost any guy that goes there -like in movies festivals >theses days-, it seems to me that paying 1000 cannot be reasonnably >considered as abusive. After all, we are talking of COMMERCIAL guys This is just the problem. Who is a commercial entry ? I am convinced that no really satisfying definition can be made. The limit between commercial and amateur is not a sharp border. There is quite a group of programmers being in a kind of twilight zone. I'd suggest to omit the differentiation into amateur and commercial programs at wmccc at all because there is no solution which is fair to everyone. If ICCA should depend on some income due to the wmccc, IMO the start fee should be raised correspondingly for all entries. Regards, Uli >, not >amateurs, not poor genuses, not deprived people. > Maybe what some people want is that ICCA does not organize nothing at >all. Not tournaments, no need to compete, no need to suffer the agony of >defeat, no need to lye telling that even to be the very last in the >final list is a kind of succes.
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