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Subject: Re: programmers do not care about the ssdf list

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 07:45:41 04/20/00

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On April 20, 2000 at 05:34:28, blass uri wrote:

>I found that Junior6 tried to win by repeating the same opening against
>Rebel8(p200) without success because it chose a different move in the middle
>game.
>I suggested Amir a long time ago what to do against this problem(learning to
>have winning game as part of the opening book) but he does not use my idea.
>
>Another mistake of Junior is resigning in lost positions(in part of the cases)
>I saw cases when Fritz failed to win a simple winning position because of
>tablebase bugs and if  the ssdf list was important for Amir he could tell Junior
>not to resign.
>
>I think that the ssdf rating list is not the important thing because we have no
>idea about the size of error in the not public games and the important thing is
>the public games in the ssdf list.
>

The SSDF rating list is important for me, but I have limited time to develop
Junior and would not waste it on this kind of "improvements".

To make clear, I think book learning, however aggressive, is a legitimate
offensive and defensive tool, but "learning" of entire games that an existing
program is guaranteed to follow I consider to be primitive and having nothing to
do with the real competition between programs or programmers. Note that one
programmer who was reported to be engaged in this practice has now fallen behind
and dropped out of the competition.

It is said that no game has ever been won by resigning, and this is true. On the
other hand I've never heard of a chess player or program whose strengths include
refusing to resign on time.

Amir


>I think forbidding to publish the ssdf rating list is a foolish idea and I am
>against this idea mainly because the result is that there are less public games.
>
>Uri



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