Author: blass uri
Date: 03:25:58 04/21/00
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On April 20, 2000 at 09:47:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 20, 2000 at 00:18:12, blass uri wrote: > >>On April 19, 2000 at 23:25:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 19, 2000 at 09:48:32, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On April 19, 2000 at 09:23:30, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 19, 2000 at 08:57:58, blass uri wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Because it is not the commercial version. >>>>> >>>>>It should be the commercial version, because that would be fair (sic.). >>>> >>>> >>>>I do not see something unfair in using not the commercial version unless >>>>chessbase hides it. >>>> >>> >>>Isn't this what IBM did with deep blue? Play vs Kasparov with a machine that >>>no one had any games from? Wasn't this the most common whine about that event, >>>that Kasparov was playing an unknown machine. >>> >>>But it is ok if Fritz does this? >>> >>>Guess I don't get it as they sound _identical_. >> >>You are right that people have no games of the new Fritz but I think that it is >>similiar to Fritz6a except the fact that it is about 3 times faster and some >>small software changes. >> >>People have some games of parallel Fritz (for example from WCCC) when kasparov >>had no games of something similiar to Deep Blue and could not buy something >>similiar that is only 3 times slower. >> >>Uri > > >There were plenty of games available from deep blue junior. And there were >games from 1 year previous when he first played DB. I only think it interesting >that it is wrong when IBM does it, but not when a commercial chess enterprise >does exactly the same thing. > >Not that I think either is wrong... I think that Fritz should play in the previous stage and play in the final only if it can be good enough but there is a difference between the case of Deep blue and the case of Fritz. 1)Deep blue or something similiar was not commercial when fritz is commercial so humans can prepare better against Fritz. 2)Deeper blue played against kasparov without previous games against other humans(Deep blue Junior is not close to be deeper blue) Fritz played against humans in the Israeli league and the difference in speed is clearly smaller relative to the difference in speed between deeper blue and Fritz. 3)The main problem was not the fact that Deeper blue played against a human without previous games available but the fact that after winning IBM did not want to play more public games(not against the commercial program and not against other humans). Uri
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