Author: pete
Date: 16:06:59 04/21/00
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On April 21, 2000 at 16:58:08, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >On April 21, 2000 at 08:56:55, James T. Walker wrote: > >>On April 21, 2000 at 03:08:38, Angrim wrote: >> >>>On April 20, 2000 at 08:34:05, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>Hello Bob, >>>>Interesting as it is, I think that to get a real feel for Crafty's strength on >>>>ICC you need to change Crafty's formula to "Formula=rated". > >>>another point, if "Formula=rated" here are the results I predict: > >>>game 1. crafty is matched to a game of 3 0 wild17(losers chess) and of >>> course loses it. >>>game 2. crafty is matched to a game of 3 3 blitz by a 1200 and wins 0 pts >>>game 3-50 same as game 2. >>>game 51. crafty is matched to a game of 3 0 crazyhouse and loses by flag >>>since it doesn't understand the rules. >>>game 52. crafty is matched to a game of 9999 999 by a 1400 who plays the >>>first few moves of a game, then when crafty leaves book and starts >>>thinking leaves on vacation with his account logged in(cable modem). >>>Two days later Bob gets ICC admins to abort the game, even though the >>>1400 still has plenty of time left on his clock. >>> >>>Angrim - Whose comp has 9 lines of formula on FICS >> >I was of course >>talking about "CHESS". What the hell does aborting a game have to do with >>anything??? Who mentioned anything about 9 lines of formula?? Where did you >>learn to read ?? > >Hey, take it easy there. You said: > >Interesting as it is, I think that to get a real feel for Crafty's strength on >ICC you need to change Crafty's formula to "Formula=rated". > >And he pointed out a few things that happen if "Formula = Rated". Ignoring the >variants, you will still get idiots do things like this: > >1) A 1000 rated player will match Crafty to a 999 999 game. He'll make a few >moves until Crafty is out of book. When Crafty comes out of book, it will start >to think forever, and the player will leave. He will never come back. I have >had similar things happen. So until Bob come back to see what's happening, no >games are getting played. > >2) A 1000 rated player will match Crafty to a million games in a row, at some >fast time control. Of course he'll get slaughtered every time, but that doesn't >stop him. This is absolutely not useful for the rating, because Crafty doesn't >gain points and the player loses no points for it. But Crafty just wasted a >very long time in this series. > >3) A 1000 rated player will play a bunch of games and lose them all. He'll get >frustrated, so he decides to cheat using a computer. He'll eventually win a >game, then he might quit. Crafty's rating just went down 32 points, yet that >loss has nothing to do with what a true rating of its strength would be. > >4) There are a million other possible scenarios, just as absurd. But they >really happen. This is the reason people set such long and convoluted formulas. > Some use it to "protect" their rating, while some use it just to make sure >decent chess is getting played. These are reasons why Formula=Rated just >doesn't work to provide a true rating of strength. > >Jeremiah another point maybe worth to mention : the guys that complain most about things like this are usually the people running manual progs. They usually have their formulas in their finger notes ;-) : I run "various chessengines including bla1 , bla 2 and bla 3 !" " I will choose whatever engine I like " " Unfortunately at the moment I can only play 1 20 " " I won't play anyone who wins against me more than 2 times in a row " Or similar : really not exagurrated . Then they sit there ; get challenged and choose to accept or not This is just the same thing other people are doing by setting up formulas , isn't it ;-) ? Formulas are a good thing : they bring consistency : you won't just noplay someone because you lose but just because it is a kind of game of no interest to you : ok , crafty is very elitary about who and what it wants to play : why is that an issue : you can play it every day at any setting at home :-) .
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