Author: Laurence Chen
Date: 11:49:35 04/22/00
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On April 22, 2000 at 13:54:37, blass uri wrote: >On April 22, 2000 at 12:45:12, Laurence Chen wrote: > >>On April 22, 2000 at 12:09:40, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On April 22, 2000 at 11:39:51, Laurence Chen wrote: >>> >>>>On April 22, 2000 at 11:26:16, Laurence Chen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 10:51:27, Pierre Bourget wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Is it true in this position that Hiarcs play Qf7+ ?? because of the tablebase ? >>>>>>Isn't it a little ridiculous.Look here for Tim Krabbe opinion: >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/diary.htm >>>>>> >>>>>>[D]5k2/2Q5/8/8/5p2/5P2/5P2/K7 w - - 0 1 >>>>>What's your point then? I do this type of move against a human player, there >>>>>reason why I do such thing is that the human player is too stubborn to resign, >>>>>hence, he is asking for humiliation, and wants to take a long beating. So why >>>>>not!!!! I find playing against this type of position against a human player who >>>>>does not want to resign in a totally hopeless position, then he deserves to be >>>>>torture to a slow death. I approve Hiarcs move, it still mates the opponent in >>>>>25 moves. A mate is a mate no matter how many moves. A win is a win. >>>>>Laurence >>>>I think you are both wrong and too hash to judge that Hiarcs 7.32 cannot play >>>>chess. What if this was the 50th move for White? How many of you would not play >>>>the move 50. Qf7+, any other move would lead to the 50th move draw. >>> >>> >>>No >>> >>>50.Qxf4+ is also winning and 50.Qf7+ can be a drawn by the 50 move rule if there >>>were 99 moves without a capture and without another move when 50.Qxf4+ is always >>>winning. >>> >>>Uri >>Black must make its 50th move, and it involves a capture. So my question, when >>does the 50th move begins? Let's say that white makes a capture in move XX, and >>there are no captures after that, would not the 50th move end with Black? >>Laurence > >Yes but if black made a capture in move xx the 50th move end with white and if >white plays Qf7+ black can instead of capturing the queen claim a draw by the 50 >move rule. > >Qxf4+ avoids the draw in both cases because of the fact that Qxf4+ is a capture >and after a capture black can say nothing with the 50 move rule. > >Uri What if the Queen was placed on a different square in which CAPTURING a pawn is not possible !!! The point I'm trying to make is that there's no counter to tell us what move it is, and also if there were any captures performed or pawn moves performed during that move counter. So, one cannot say that Qf7+ is a BIZARRE move. It's very dangerous to make assumptions without facts. Also, I repeat once again, a win is a win, and a mate is a mate no matter how many moves. I told you my reason why I would play 1.Qf7+, if my opponent likes to be rude and annoying type who doesn't resign on a totally hopeless position, he is asking me to toy with him. Have you considered that Hiarcs might just doing such a thing to toy with the human player? Junior also does such moves, and both engines are considered human like playing style. So what's wrong with the move Qf7+? Laurence
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