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Subject: Re: Crafty 17.10 not that strong

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 01:12:12 04/23/00

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On April 23, 2000 at 02:31:28, Pete Galati wrote:

>On April 23, 2000 at 02:12:19, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On April 23, 2000 at 01:53:55, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On April 23, 2000 at 01:38:20, Chessfun wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 23, 2000 at 01:31:17, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 23, 2000 at 00:48:44, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:46:28, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 15:02:19, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:49:59, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:20:57, A.L.Mourik wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hello dear CCC friends,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Although earlier reports from e.g. Jouni Uski, suggest an enormous increase in
>>>>>>>>>>strenght for Crafty 17.10
>>>>>>>>>>Nuun 2 match result Fritz6 against Crafty  17.10 ends in a very clear
>>>>>>>>>>29,5-10,5!! victory for Fritz6.
>>>>>>>>>>Played on PII 400 8mb for HT, Timecontrol 5 min + 3 sec per move.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There isn't generally an enormous increase in strength from version to version
>>>>>>>>>of any program, that's unrealistic to expect there to be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Your time controls are a bit short there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Pete
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why didn't you say or ask that of Jouni when he posted?
>>>>>>>>as all he said was blitz, that may even have been faster
>>>>>>>>than this.
>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry, I don't read all posts, this one caught my eye because it was at the top
>>>>>>>of the board.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You had posted in the thread I referred to.
>>>>>>Which was Sensation Crafty 17-10 beats F6a in nunn1 .
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You'd need to post the html of the post where I responded to that, setting the
>>>>>filters at 7 days and doing a search for "Sensation Crafty 17-10" does not turn
>>>>>anything up.  I don't recall responding in such a thread.  But if you're
>>>>>attempting to put me on trial for some comment that I may or may not have made
>>>>>about Crafty, then you simply have too much time on your hands.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is fairly simple to set search for author.
>>>>You made no comment for a trial, it was the lack of request
>>>>for the time control of the blitz games then the statement in
>>>>this thread that it needs longer time controls.
>>>>
>>>>But, since your last comment obviously means you take every question
>>>>of your postings as an offense and feel the need to take a stab at
>>>>anyone who questions anything you write, even the obvious questions
>>>>posed by Christophe that you fail to understand, then don't worry I
>>>>won't bother to reply in future.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, I searched for "Jouni" and found what you're talking about, but you left out
>>>a ":" when you quoted the name of the thread so my search didn't turn up
>>>anything.
>>
>>
>>Wouldn't matter what thread I quoted. A simple search by author
>>would give you all posts you had made.
>>
>>
>>>First of all, in that thread, I was responding to a comment that Fernando made,
>>>not anything that Jouni said.
>>
>>You posted in a thread about crafty beating F6 at nunn 1 in blitz.
>>You never questioned the time controls as you did in this thread.
>>The difference Crafty was alledged to have won in the other thread.
>>It lost in this one.
>
>You're still trying to ignore that I was responding to Fernando's post, and not
>to Jouni's,  I don't see that bothering anyone else.
>
>>
>>>Second, I didn't take back anything.
>>
>>Who asked you to take back. A simply asking the same question in the
>>other thread was apt.
>>
>>>Third, Christophe was not being clear what he was asking "why" about.
>>
>>The question he asked is simple enough. You said these blitz times were
>>too fast and that they are too fast to judge the strength of a program.
>>He asked, why and can you explain. Since you had made these statements
>>you must have evidence that these statements are correct.
>>Seems simple to me.
>
>No, _you're_ asking that question, Christophe didn't, he wasn't clear what he
>was asking about.  Blitz games don't allow a program to search deep enough,
>that's obvious enough that the question does not need to be asked.


This is a very frightening answer.

Is the earth flat? Yes it is, that's obvious enough that the question does not
need to be asked.

Pete, I fear you are not on the right track anymore.



    Christophe



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