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Subject: Re: Crafty 17.10 not that strong

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:53:41 04/23/00

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On April 23, 2000 at 11:05:31, Chessfun wrote:

>On April 23, 2000 at 10:29:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 23, 2000 at 00:32:45, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On April 22, 2000 at 17:25:18, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:46:28, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sorry, I don't read all posts, this one caught my eye because it was at the top
>>>>>of the board.
>>>>>
>>>>>If Jouni played some games this fast or faster, then my opinion would be the
>>>>>same, it's too fast.  That isn't to say that I have not run games at that speed,
>>>>>I have, and they were too fast to judge the strength of a program.
>>>>
>>>>I agree. As far as I know the development of Crafty is aimed at improving its
>>>>strength at tournament time control. Nunn blitz matches are insignificant in my
>>>>humble opinion. On top of that it's almost impossible to make any sound
>>>>conclusions based on these results, except that Fritz6 appears to be stronger at
>>>>blitz. I don't think it's possible to say anything about 17.07 vs. 17.10.
>>>>
>>>>Best wishes...
>>>>Mogens
>>>
>>>
>>>I generally agree the results of fast blitz games mean very little.
>>>Though as with humans maybe we should have blitz type results by
>>>someone like the SSDF it is still an interesting subject.
>>>
>>>Funny how knowone said anything about blitz being bad when Jouni posted
>>>that on his machine at nunn 1 crafty scored better than F6.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>If you will go back to the beginning of that thread, post #2 was by me.
>>I said "I suspect the results will be different if more games are played..."
>>
>>I know what to take with a grain of salt, and what to take as base fact.
>
>
>You did Dr. that is clearly true. The fact remains however
>that people took the results without asking questions of them.
>
>You yourself while maintaining the ponder=on as being correct
>for crafty never questioned it although it states one machine.

I didn't question it because I have written about a hundred posts here on the
subject of ponder=on vs ponder=off.  If someone doesn't know my opinion by now,
they won't every know what it is...




>
>And I agree so small an amount of games is meaningless as are
>the tourneys I myself run, yet it is clearly evidenced here that
>people play a few blitz games and make statements that clearly
>are not borne out by facts elsewhere.
>
>I just questioned the original posting while others wanted
>to make coffee with it.
>
>Thanks.


I don't pay much attention to _any_ results except for those _I_ see on the
chess servers.  I assume my opponent has his program tuned as strongly as he
can.  I know I do the same most of the time...  Those results I trust...




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