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Subject: Re: Crafty 17.10 not that strong

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 12:59:47 04/23/00

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On April 23, 2000 at 10:27:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 23, 2000 at 04:01:13, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On April 22, 2000 at 19:15:20, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On April 22, 2000 at 18:27:14, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:46:28, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 15:02:19, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:49:59, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 14:20:57, A.L.Mourik wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hello dear CCC friends,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Although earlier reports from e.g. Jouni Uski, suggest an enormous increase in
>>>>>>>>strenght for Crafty 17.10
>>>>>>>>Nuun 2 match result Fritz6 against Crafty  17.10 ends in a very clear
>>>>>>>>29,5-10,5!! victory for Fritz6.
>>>>>>>>Played on PII 400 8mb for HT, Timecontrol 5 min + 3 sec per move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There isn't generally an enormous increase in strength from version to version
>>>>>>>of any program, that's unrealistic to expect there to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your time controls are a bit short there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why didn't you say or ask that of Jouni when he posted?
>>>>>>as all he said was blitz, that may even have been faster
>>>>>>than this.
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry, I don't read all posts, this one caught my eye because it was at the top
>>>>>of the board.
>>>>>
>>>>>If Jouni played some games this fast or faster, then my opinion would be the
>>>>>same, it's too fast.  That isn't to say that I have not run games at that speed,
>>>>>I have, and they were too fast to judge the strength of a program.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pete
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>>
>>>>Can you please explain why?
>>>>
>>>>You must certainly have some evidence?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Christophe
>>>
>>>Why?  Why what?  Your question is far too vague.
>>>
>>>Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>Why is it too fast to judge the strength of a program?
>>
>>Give your evidence.
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>
>One simple answer. Take the top 4 programs on the SSDF and play a very long
>round-robin event, but at blitz time controls.  (IE every program plays every
>other program 100 times).  Do you think the order will be the same as the SSDF
>list for standard time controls?
>
>I don't.  I am certain of it.


I'm certain that I would get very valuable information from this. Quickly.



    Christophe



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