Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:48:48 04/23/00
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On April 23, 2000 at 14:04:15, Chessfun wrote: >On April 23, 2000 at 13:55:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On April 23, 2000 at 00:43:49, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On April 22, 2000 at 18:35:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On April 22, 2000 at 13:13:00, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Since I never got a reply on what those blitz times were on the >>>>>previous thread, I played 1 min game, 2 min game, 3 min game and >>>>>5 min game. >>>>> >>>>>I was surprized to read that Crafty 17-10 could beat Fritz 6a >>>>>in Nunn 1 blitz as no previous version I had was close. >>>>> >>>>>All games on Cel 433. >>>>>Anyone wanting the games email me. >>>>> >>>>>1 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>2 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>3 min game Fritz 6a 13.0 - 7.0 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>5 min game Fritz 6a 15.5 - 4.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>> >>>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>>That's a very interesting experiment. Please, keep on playing with longer time >>>>controls. >>>> >>>>I'm interested in knowing how programs behave when you change the time controls. >>>> >>>>Let's see if the result change drastically with much longer time controls. >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >>> >>>I have played 10 mins (it's posted now I'm trying 25 then will finish >>>at 60 mins. >>> >>>The original intent was I did not believe the post: >>>Sensation Crafty 17-10 beats F6 at nunn 1. >>> >>>Still don't believe it, don't believe the results or the >>>games could ever be reporduced. >>> >>>The hype around the post was all of course it's natural, >>>then when F6 wins it's, well, it's only blitz. >>> >>>Crafty is a fine program, but sometimes there is IMO >>>a little bit too much of biased hype surrounding it's >>>results. >>> >>>Thanks. >> >> >>How can you confirm/disprove _anything_??? You don't have the same memory >>size, same hash size, same opening book for both programs, to name just a few >>variables beyond your ability to reproduce... > > >I have asked about the set up. As for opening book it is Nunn 1 >there is no opening book. So far as I know, Nunn games have a defined _starting position_ but there is no way to ensure that the programs don't use a book after starting the game... If it is against the 'rules' I can easily tell you how to configure crafty so that it appears to be out of book and searching like mad, but it only searches the move(s) suggested by the book. > > >>I can think of a dozen reasons why you couldn't reproduce _anybody's_ results >>if you don't know _everything_ about their configuration and setup... > > >No doubt, but as I have stated I do not believe on >any computer with ponder=off that Crafty 17-10 can beat >Fritz 6a at Nunn 1. Trivial to do. Run on a 128M machine, and tell fritz to use 256mb for hash. It will probably lose 10-0. As I said, without knowing the full details, any- thing can (and probably will) happen. > >While I would agree that any computer program can beat any >other program over a 20 game match. IMO from the Nunn 1 positions >Crafty will not beat Fritz 6a. > >That is to say any equal time control and equal hash settings. > >Thanks. You left out something important. I'll take that challenge on ICC any time you want. (figured out what you left out? :) Hint: hardware..)
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