Author: Chessfun
Date: 16:13:13 04/23/00
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On April 23, 2000 at 18:48:48, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 23, 2000 at 14:04:15, Chessfun wrote: > >>On April 23, 2000 at 13:55:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 23, 2000 at 00:43:49, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On April 22, 2000 at 18:35:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 13:13:00, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Since I never got a reply on what those blitz times were on the >>>>>>previous thread, I played 1 min game, 2 min game, 3 min game and >>>>>>5 min game. >>>>>> >>>>>>I was surprized to read that Crafty 17-10 could beat Fritz 6a >>>>>>in Nunn 1 blitz as no previous version I had was close. >>>>>> >>>>>>All games on Cel 433. >>>>>>Anyone wanting the games email me. >>>>>> >>>>>>1 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>2 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>3 min game Fritz 6a 13.0 - 7.0 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>5 min game Fritz 6a 15.5 - 4.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That's a very interesting experiment. Please, keep on playing with longer time >>>>>controls. >>>>> >>>>>I'm interested in knowing how programs behave when you change the time controls. >>>>> >>>>>Let's see if the result change drastically with much longer time controls. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>>I have played 10 mins (it's posted now I'm trying 25 then will finish >>>>at 60 mins. >>>> >>>>The original intent was I did not believe the post: >>>>Sensation Crafty 17-10 beats F6 at nunn 1. >>>> >>>>Still don't believe it, don't believe the results or the >>>>games could ever be reporduced. >>>> >>>>The hype around the post was all of course it's natural, >>>>then when F6 wins it's, well, it's only blitz. >>>> >>>>Crafty is a fine program, but sometimes there is IMO >>>>a little bit too much of biased hype surrounding it's >>>>results. >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>> >>> >>>How can you confirm/disprove _anything_??? You don't have the same memory >>>size, same hash size, same opening book for both programs, to name just a few >>>variables beyond your ability to reproduce... >> >> >>I have asked about the set up. As for opening book it is Nunn 1 >>there is no opening book. > >So far as I know, Nunn games have a defined _starting position_ but there >is no way to ensure that the programs don't use a book after starting the >game... > >If it is against the 'rules' I can easily tell you how to configure crafty >so that it appears to be out of book and searching like mad, but it only >searches the move(s) suggested by the book. Even if no opening book is loaded, I don't see how Fritz can do this nor how Crafty could do it within the Fritz interface. >> >>>I can think of a dozen reasons why you couldn't reproduce _anybody's_ results >>>if you don't know _everything_ about their configuration and setup... >> >> >>No doubt, but as I have stated I do not believe on >>any computer with ponder=off that Crafty 17-10 can beat >>Fritz 6a at Nunn 1. > >Trivial to do. Run on a 128M machine, and tell fritz to use 256mb for hash. >It will probably lose 10-0. As I said, without knowing the full details, any- >thing can (and probably will) happen. >> >>While I would agree that any computer program can beat any >>other program over a 20 game match. IMO from the Nunn 1 positions >>Crafty will not beat Fritz 6a. >> >>That is to say any equal time control and equal hash settings. >> >>Thanks. > >You left out something important. I'll take that challenge on ICC any time >you want. (figured out what you left out? :) Hint: hardware..) Never needed to mention it as I said; "No doubt, but as I have stated I do not believe on any computer with ponder=off that Crafty 17-10 can beat Fritz 6a at Nunn 1." On any with ponder=off refers to a single computer not a match on two different ones, since that was after all the subject of the original thread that started all this, and was also how I stated to have tested myself although I have access to two identical computers. Thanks.
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