Author: Chessfun
Date: 16:14:44 04/23/00
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On April 23, 2000 at 18:50:02, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 23, 2000 at 16:16:46, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On April 23, 2000 at 06:33:59, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On April 23, 2000 at 04:15:48, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On April 23, 2000 at 00:43:49, Chessfun wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 18:35:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 22, 2000 at 13:13:00, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Since I never got a reply on what those blitz times were on the >>>>>>>previous thread, I played 1 min game, 2 min game, 3 min game and >>>>>>>5 min game. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I was surprized to read that Crafty 17-10 could beat Fritz 6a >>>>>>>in Nunn 1 blitz as no previous version I had was close. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>All games on Cel 433. >>>>>>>Anyone wanting the games email me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>>2 min game Fritz 6a 14.5 - 5.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>>3 min game Fritz 6a 13.0 - 7.0 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>>5 min game Fritz 6a 15.5 - 4.5 Crafty 17-10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>That's a very interesting experiment. Please, keep on playing with longer time >>>>>>controls. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm interested in knowing how programs behave when you change the time controls. >>>>>> >>>>>>Let's see if the result change drastically with much longer time controls. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Christophe >>>>> >>>>>I have played 10 mins (it's posted now I'm trying 25 then will finish >>>>>at 60 mins. >>>>> >>>>>The original intent was I did not believe the post: >>>>>Sensation Crafty 17-10 beats F6 at nunn 1. >>>>> >>>>>Still don't believe it, don't believe the results or the >>>>>games could ever be reporduced. >>>>> >>>>>The hype around the post was all of course it's natural, >>>>>then when F6 wins it's, well, it's only blitz. >>>>> >>>>>Crafty is a fine program, but sometimes there is IMO >>>>>a little bit too much of biased hype surrounding it's >>>>>results. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>>I bet that you'll get the same result (inside the mathematical error margin), >>>>whatever time control you use. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >>> >>>I believe that if you do enough games you will not get the same result. >>> >>>It seems that Crafty is better at long time control. >>> >>>Based on blitz results you were right that Crafty is 100 elo weaker than the top >>>programs but it seems based on the ssdf games that Crafty is not 100 elo weaker >>>than the top programs at tournament time control inspite of the fact that crafty >>>does not like the ssdf hardware and could earn more 20 elo rating if it used >>>pentium instead of K6III-450. >>> >>>Crafty is only 97 elo weaker than top Fritz6a and Fritz6a is better than the >>>average top program. >>> >>>Maybe the results of blitz games and tournament games do not prove with 95% >>>confidence that crafty is better at long time control but I guess that it is >>>only because of the fact that the ssdf do not have enough games. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>So you say that Crafty is better at long time controls, but pratically we will >>never know because it is unlikely that enough games will be played to confirm >>your statement. >> >>In this case I think it is much better to assume that Crafty is not better than >>his opponents at long time controls. >> >>That's a simple matter of economy: when it's not necessary to introduce a new >>rule to a model, just don't introduce any new rule. >> >>Introducing fancy new rules everywhere is in my opinion obscurantism. >> >>When you have evidence that the model is incomplete to describe what happens in >>reality, add a rule. >> >>When you have evidence that Crafty is better than other programs at long time >>controls, just tell us. >> >>But until that, I don't believe in your proposition. >> >> >> Christophe > >You overlook some important data. Ed ran some games with a monster time >control. Do you recall how those came out??? Are you refering to chess 2010...as far as I am aware only nine games were played none by Crafty. Thanks.
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